Dear Anet: Make Razah's PvE aquisition REASONABLE.........

/signed

I love ritualist class!
I have 10 chars, don't want to spend years to get a Rit hero to every char i have. And only after game finished????????

Why not an obtainable Rit hero like any other hero, early in the game?

Agree with DoA difficult, agree with Razah in there "IF" Razah was a more flexible hero (exchange primary!!!), but being the only Rit in the game, sure not the way to go!

Is Razah a uber Hero with uber skills? No? So???

I have a life, and can't play for 4 or 5 consecutive hours for days!
So i will never get a Rit hero

Anet, please just add a Rit Hero to the normal storyline, and let Razah be the leet show off, for the ones that would like to get him!

/signed

I have so much rit gear in storage and I have 9 characters that I actively play. There is no way I will get them that far in the game to get the rit hero. I would love to have that hero much earlier in the game.

/signed

I don't know why people wouldn't him somewhere earlier and easier to get. There could still be an elite hero that you can get.. but it shouldn't be a Rit and it shouldn't be him.

agree.

a lot of the fun in GW is about trying new build, i dont see why if i want to try a build that involves a ritualist should require a lot more trouble, since ritualist is just another profession. Anet can just change Razah to have variable profession then add a ritualist hero somewhere and keep the elite mission as it is.

unlike some other players i think ritualist is nessary simply becoz u cant replace a primary ritualist with a secondary one. true that u dont have to play a particular build that requires a ritualist but gw is a lot about trying new skill combations, for some builds a primary ritualist is nessary. this is not the same as making FoW armor cheap as it can be (functionally) replaced by many other armors, which is not the same case for ritualist.

well that is exactly what i said in the last reply I wrote.

Please, don't start a debate with me about not reading things. I'm reading this topic very clearly.

You are a minority. You may think you are a majority, but all of you who are in that minority wanting something different with Razah are coming here and posting it because it is the rules of these forums. If it wasn't, we'd see dozens of "Change Razah's difficulty!!!" like topics with the admins and mods of the Guru Forums pulling their hair out more so.

Also on top of everything, I am not saying you (everyone, not one particular person) are complaining about Domain of Anguish. I've not once said that is what you are wanting changed. I my self love a good challenge in this game and want to see such an area unchanged, along with the quests inside of this area. None of us complain and start topics about the Quests in Fissure of Woe or Underworld do we? We shouldn't do the same about the quests within Domain of Anguish and the rewards of those quests.

As for the mature/immature thing that has been fired at me several times. Maturity and Age of a person are not varied by his or her age. I my self am nineteen, and I am told all the time by people at my job and guests at my job that I am much older, even older then a thirty something. Now, a thirty something can be as mature as a teenager, or as mature as a thirty something, or as mature as a fifty something. Right now in my eyes the ones who are complaining to the degree that they are, are acting like teenage somethings rather then mature players understanding the difficulty to acquire Razah. Hence my directions to Pokemon, a game and world where the good guy always wins and gets what he's looking for at some time or another. So don't attempt to call me immature because I used a reference to explain my reasons in my postings. I know some of these posts, and I stress some, are helpful criticism (something I know Anet appreciates) and I my self do that, we all do. A fair amount aren't in this topic however.

Now, to agree with some posts here. I wouldn't mind seeing another Ritualist hero. There are tons of characters, examples being Kurzick families, Luxon tribes, Shadow and her spider from Prophecies and more to be heroes. I mean come on, she Asecended, captured a Spider and was with us on Perdition Rock. She deserves to be a Prophecy hero. We are in that game aren't we?

As someone rightly pointed out, not all Ritualists are elite. There should be at some stage a new character introduced with a fascinating way of getting her/him. I do agree that it should be within Factions because Factions contains Ritualists and should be within there some way, some how.

So, to anyone who would like to quote me and attempt to rip me a new one like some already have, please do. You'll be hard pressed to try and find a way to do that before I can fire back at you in this 'debate'.

/signed

For all of the reasons previously posted.

I believe that Razah ending up as a Rit was a quick-fix to ANet being unable to make him the variable character we all thought he was going to be. What was it...formed from the mists, take any form...whatever. Prolly seemed like a good idea at the time, but reality prolly bit them in the ass, preventing such a cool concept from seeing the light of day.

Having to beat the four quests and getting the required materials would make sense if it was a variable hero, but a Rit, no matter how cool he looks, does not warrant the effort involved.

Ok, you say the people posting are a minority. That means that you have some evidence of how the overall population feels about this. Please share with us the survey you conducted or have seen that indicates a majority of people disagree with this thread.

To say something is in a minority, you have to have some form of measure to know how people sit on one side or another.

YOU are a minority. YOU may think you are a majority, but ...

I have no grounds for saying that, just as you have displayed no grounds for your statement about who is in the majority and who is not. If you are going to start claiming weight to an argument by numbers, you had best be able to illustrate those numbers.

Has anyone actually even gotten Razah via PvE yet? Everyone knows, that the quest requires you to have one of each gem to continue to Abaddon's Heart, but who knows what's there to be done after that?

Soon as i get a titan gemstone i will let you know.

You may not be ready for such a big responsibility. I recommend you hand over the items and allow me take care of everything.

/signed

Just too shabby of a reward for all the work necessary to obtain it. Razah should be available through some other mechanics and some really great reward for all the time and effort that is now required.

I don't need Razah that bad. I'd rather spend my gaming time having fun then grinding for another Hero.



No rumor, and not from Gaile. In the manual that comes in the game box, Page 63 ...........................

Razah
Unformed Hero

"I live to serve."

Origin: The Mists
Age: Inapplicalbe
Profession: Variable

/signed


ive tried every possible way to do this mission and every group i go with fails it is almost nearly impossible to get through it i mean i understand that the hero is gona be a good one but, if anet wanted to do this why not give us a sukyer ritualist hero?????

Do not lecture me newcomer. I've been on these boards for a full year and have made many posts. I know when something is more of a minority then a majority.

I will give you what you have said. I do not have facts showing the minority, just my personal observation of the Guru Forums for a year and months time.

Here is where you are mistaken; the Elite mission is for the 1% of the GW population granted, just as crystalline swords are for the 1% general population. The Ritualist class is for the general Factions population as are all HERO’s except the Factions Ritualist HERO.

I use crystalline swords as an example because anyone can buy a normal sword for about 5k with 15^50% damage. The general GW population does not need a crystalline sword. However a HERO who uses a common Factions class or normal HERO available to everyone is not a crystalline sword. It’s a HERO an aspect of the game that anyone in the general or average competence level can achieve. ANET knew this, that is why they made all HERO’s available at the end game area without the dependance on other people's skill levels.

ANET Why the change in game design?

Now lets say I do get all gemstones by doing all quests. That’s at least 6 hours of playtime for each area assuming I can get a group. The general population does not have 6 hours of playtime in a day to do said mission assuming you can find a competent group.

Hey I know I’m an elite player however I don’t have 6 hours to find a group of people with my skill competance, let alone 6 hours to do one area.

Now lets say I purchase all for 4 gemstones for all 9 (36 stones) of my characters. Does that make me Elite? No it just means I have money or nothing else to do but farm.

I am not saying give everyone should get Razzah, I’m saying make a Ritualist HERO available to everyone of general skill calabur. Same as every other HERO profession in the game. Then if you want to show off your Razzah to show your 1337 skillz that is up to you. As for me I can care less about your grind time and can enjoy the normal aspects of the game with my Ritualist HERO.

Honestly what is wrong with that request?

you just need 4 gems in order to get it.
do it one way or the other.
just buy them. Of course they are hell costly now. but they will be as you say "reasonable" in some time.

People can come up with various solutions, buy the gemstones, do the quests, grind ... etc.

The effort to get Razah does not seem to be worth the reward.

Hypotheticaly, let's say someone does PvE unlock Razah. If this person doesn't have the Factions campaign they wouldn't be able to give Razah very many skills.

When did I ever say that the elite missions are only for 1% of those playing GWs?

I never said anything of the kind. I said EVERYONE has access to DoA, so I dont see why everyone is complaining at Razah being unattainable.

Im not understanding anything that you wrote, because your suggesting I said something which I didnt.

And whos to say that DoA would take 6 hours of play?

Should we not add missions to the game which take huge amounts of time to complete, incase we allienate those who dont have lots of free time?

So just because you or others cant find the time to complete an elite mission, that means we dont give away a huge reward like Razah at the end.

If you cant have him, no one can?
Or if you cant get him the hard way, you want him given to you on a silver platter?

Sounds kind of petty to me.

What actual harm is it doing to have Razah only be attainable after doing DoA?

Are people really being disadvantaged not being able to use a ritualist? are people missing out on anything astounding? Will he add any new huge playability?

The answer is NO.

Hes purely for show, and hes purely a luxary to play with.

Hes not a necessity and people are just annoyed that they cant just be given him, instead of having to graft.

Chances are I wont get him, despite having finished the game and having got the other heroes. But you dont see me complaining. Ive never really liked Ritualists anyway.

The world will not come to an end because you cant have your ritualist hero from the start people!!!

Even if they did eventually give away a Ritualist Hero from the start of the game, to keep you all happy.

Chances are they would make it only available to those with Factions, as they did the assassin, because its a factions profession. Then everyone who doesnt have factions would complain.

There was and is only two ways they could have added a ritualist to the game and fix it into the story line. By either giving him away in cantha as mentioned, or by doing it the way they have... by creating him from the mist. Something we heard mentioned in factions on many occassions. I think theyve done a good job of tieing him into the story line and the ROT.

Wow, Lub self much?


On topic, /signed.

Unlike FoW armor, no one would ever actually use Razah, so I'm wondering how it could even be for show. You can't make a pvp character with FoW armor either. There is no other ritualist hero in the game, whereas you can replace FoW armor with cheaper armor. Which has more utility, four gems you can sell for hundreds of platinum, or a hero from a fairly handicapped class? It only serves to alienate ritualists more from the other classes short of him not existing at all, which it might as well be.

Not to mention, he's in nightfall. Ritualist is a factions class. What the hell? Put razah in factions and replace him with an unlockable mesmer or something, don't put him in nightfall. All complaints of pointless difficulty aside, it makes absolutely no sense and was a very bad addition.

Yeah, noone will get Razah for months, right? Oh no, wait...

Interestingly, even Neriandal seems to have made an in-principle agreement with the introduction of another Ritualist hero. We're happy for DoA to be hard, we just don't want it to be required...

People have said that the Rit hero isn't required. They seem to mostly be people who don't like Rits anyway, which is something I consider may be colouring their viewpoint slightly. Considering that you've beaten the game to get there in the first place, no, it isn't necassary. Neither are elite skills necassary. Heck, you could probably play through the game quite comfortably with around 15 skills each from your primary and secondary professions. So why couldn't we just leave 15 skills for each profession in the regular game, and leave the others to be gained in elite areas? Heck, we could make a future chapter in which only core skills, and an equivalent number of basic skills for the new professions, are available in the general campaign, and all other skills require defeating an elite area to attain.

Yes, that's extreme. But it's on the same road. To trot out the caseline again: Up to now, no elite mission has provided a mechanical benefit you couldn't get by another means. Razah, as the sole ritualist hero in the game, provides such a benefit. And for anyone who wants to use a Ritualist outside of Cantha when not actually playing one themselves (or even if they are and want some more spirits to bounce off), that's a BIG benefit. And this is why there are people here complaining who couldn't care less about FoW, the UW, Tombs, the Warren or the Deep. All of those are entirely optional, done for the prestige, not for anything mechanical you can't get anywhere else.

As has been pointed out before: Everyone who's reached the DoA has beaten the pre-elite storyline of Abaddon in less than a month. Chances are, with a bit of trial and error, a competant group and a character that can get into said competant group the DoA isn't beyond any of us here. For many players, however, the Ritualist hero is like the fruit in the legend of Tantalus, permanently out of reach - and unlike some of the people here who couldn't care less about the Ritualist, some of those people may have some very good builds in mind for a Ritualist hero. Furthermore, while getting through Anguish with a PUG-friendly character such as a monk or ranger will, once people learn the tricks, probably prove relatively easy, managing the same feat with a less popular class such as an Assassin will likely prove impossible for anyone who doesn't have a largish guild to back them up. So are the PUG-friendlies going to be able to pick up enough of the stones through drops to carry the other characters?

Grats on getting all four....now, what to do with them?

GG Ash


Months and months maybe years

I don't think the prices will ever become reasonable because Arbraces of Truth are a huge gem sink and Tormented weapons are probably going to be the new Obsidian Armor. I'd define the upper limit of "reasonable" as 25 platinum, since that's how much it costs to get all the campaign-specific primary profession skills for a core profession character.

Can someone tell me if there's a way on this board to block a specific user's posts?

'cause sometimes certain people just rub you the wrong way, and I'm having to resist the urge to punch my monitor whenever I skim anything written by Neriandal.
I've got four team builds on paper right now that would benefit enormously from a primary ritualist hero.

...Ironically, a couple of them are designs for tackling the Domain of Anguish! Ritualists being the rarest class in PvE means you can't exactly count on finding one for a PuG, and since they're naturally placed behind the party it'd be safe enough to bring a hero in.

Most of them, however, are 'fun' builds. You know, the sort of thing you enjoy playing around with - like "let's see how much mileage we can get out of Earthbind", that sort of thing. Needless to say, this kind of attitude is not the most conducive to attaining l33t hardcore rewards... But is a kind of fun, nonetheless.
Ah, there you go.

How's this fun idea; don't change the look of their armour!
There has already been sugested a method of making armour "remeber" what runes and insignias are on it, which could be used on a variable profession hero.

No ritualist hero? Add one for merged Nighfall + Factions accounts.

Yes, because ArenaNet never takes sugestions on these forums seriously.

Oh wait...
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...27t+Touch+This
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...i ni%20Varesh

ya the foundry .... comon .. surpise
well it was the 2nd time .. owell do it again



2 hours cleared the four rooms and on 2nd quest and not one titan gem dropped

yay for popups

If you had any idea how much each of the four gemstones was selling for, and seeing as how each other hero was free... Razah requiring 1 of each gem to get is simply unreasonable since he is a Rt Hero... RITUALIST HERO, ONLY AVAILABLE IN NF... Think about that, what about those who ONLY own nightfall, and not factions. They will only have those very few skills available from the hero skill trainers. You are right on one thing, this IS just a game. But spending 16 hours (4 in each area of DoA) to get one of each gem just to unlock a hero and an elite mission seems a bit much. Or, if you aren't skilled enough to beat DoA, buying the gems would be WAAAAAAAAAAAY too expensive for just a Ritualist hero.
And those people talking before you posted weren't asking to make DoA easier, they were asking to either move Razah, or make him variable proffession. Neither suggestion is asking too much, seeing as how A.Net said that Razah would be variable profession, and they didn't follow through, AND they put him in an area that made him impossible for some to get to. And making him of a profession that isn't of the game which he is a part of was also a rather bad move.

25 of each type for the collector heh

Actually, I'm happy with leaving him as and where he is. As long as there's another Ritualist around that doesn't take all that time to collect the gems and get him.

It looks like there's someone who's actually collected the gems (unless that's a hacked screenshot) - does this mean that someone's actually collected Razah in PvE? Is it just a simple case of bribing the guard and waltzing in to meet him, or is there extra stuff needed on top of collecting the gems?

no it is a "hacked" screen he has them all. .. Titan gems drop about 1:million

we just cleared about all of the foundry(died from stupid popups during 2nd quest) and not one Titan gem dropped .. sort of stupid they need to increase the drop rate.. He hasn't gotten razah yet decideing between the coffer of whispers or him.

And sadly you missed a lot of my posts, if Razah wasn’t made to be the Ritualist hero or if he was variable I wouldn’t really care about it. I am not going to speak how other people who want to obtain him but reading I see other people also similar comment about this.

But you seem to miss other issues also, for instance Nightfall only players only get 25 skills total for the main primary for him. If you haven’t noticed there are no core skills in nightfall for Ritualist or the Assassin compare that to the other classes Nightfall only players he’s not really that effective. But then you can only obtain the Assassin if you own Factions making it a campaign based hero. As should be the Ritualist in this case I going to assume you know why. So where’s the balance between Linked Faction account (100 skills) and Nightfall (25 skills) only account when it comes to skills.

And do you know why they made Razah a Ritualist? It was solely based on the demand of community that they wanted a Ritualist hero. For what ever reason they didn’t decide to make him a variable hero is speculation, but in the end they made him the only Faction based hero in Nightfall which really defeats the purpose of thing’s being chapter related. I strongly disagree with them making him a Ritualist hero, they should have never wavered from there normal stance not to change certain aspects regardless of community feedback. Anyone who put some thought into it would have guessed there would be a negative fallout from the decision they made. Now I wouldn’t expect Anet to add a Ritualist hero to be obtained in Factions. People would demand that they also make another hero to get in Prophecies.

But I must say I predicted your actions and your response only proves what I suspected from the get go of your original post attacking people who see things differently then you do on this issue.

Fine i really don't care... The main issue is the amount of people complaining before they even really try. That is the whole point. 12 hours isn't alot of time to get one hero that is in the elite mission granted it is a factions hero..... And as attacking people that see things different that I ... ya I will attack people that whine, they are the people that force Anet to Nerf the only enjoyable areas of the game. You are not forced to get the Hero or finish the quests so stop with these childish attacks. Somehow you changed from my issue with people wanting the last hero given to them to your issue with him being a Rit ...
If you complaint is with Razah being a Rit go start another thread.

If someone gets razah at all through any method can someone post his stats what he gets and his weapons? I just spent like an hour reading this thread >< and plan on searching for a thread related to him, but I just think its unlikely that its posted yet if it is please direct me?

/signed everyone already agrued my points. not even worth going through that crap just for a rit hero, make it easier or make him variable.

I think alot of people, who may not have actually got as far as DoA, are miss-understanding how you get Razah. Whether this is due to a lack of information or by listening to word of mouth, I dont know.

But reading alot of posts here, people apear to be under the impression that you need to play DoA and wait for the gems to drop, which you need for Razah.

This is wrong;

There is a quest in that city which asks you to do nothing more then complete DoA. Ok this isnt an easy thing to do, but im sure its do-able.

And as a reward for completing DoA, you speak to the NPC and your given the 4 rare gems to exchange for one of three things.

Now whether people choose to exchange those 4 gems which your GIVEN, for Razah is their choice.

Once you do that quest, THEN any you need to farm the gems in order to exchange for weapons or armor or what-ever else.

So this arguement that it would take for ever to attain the 4 gems is void, because your given them in a quest on a one-off.

And to argue that its wrong because DoA would take a long time to get through is void too, because thats just a case of making the effort or finding the time.

Look at FoW and UW, and SF. They all take a good few goes and a good amount of time, but everyone loves them.

But I bet if they added some amazing Hero at the end of FoW or UW which you can only get by completing it, everyone would be up in arms complaining how unfair it is, and how its only for the "elite".



The only agruement which makes sense is that its daft to be giving us a new Hero at the end of the game, because by that time we dont really need him.

But as Ive already said myself in an earlier post; Had they given him to us earlier, the only way they could do it was in the same way as the Sin Hero. By giving him exclusively to factions owners.

WHICH I DO THINK ANET SHOULD DO!!! ADD A RITUALIST IN CANTHA AND END ALL THIS DEBATE!!!



Back on track:

But THEN you would have non-factions players complaining they cant get access to him.

Oddly enough, you never see any threads complaining about how none factions owners cant have an Assassin? Perhaps because they just not cool (my opinion).



I'll agree its daft to give an Ritualist at the end of the game when we wont really need him, unless Anet has plans for future campaigns.

But the way everyone is reacting to Razah, is like a life or death situation.

Razah is a luxary, not a necessity. You all only want him because you want a ritualist to look cool with. A rit doesnt offer anymore funcationality then the other professions. Anything which a Rit can do, they can do individually in some way.

But even if they did give us a Ritualist at the start of the game from cantha and everyone was happy about that; You would still have others complaining...

"Oh but we want two of every class, so we want another Ritualist. But we still cant be bothered to do DoA, so give us another one at the start".

...all this comes down to, is that people want Razah or a ritualist Hero to look cool, and they cant be bothered to work for him.

Its like a kid in a store crying that he cant have his sweets now, and his mother is telling him "after dinner".