Dear Anet: Make Razah's PvE aquisition REASONABLE.........

Well99

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Nix Guild (NG)

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Speaking for myself I would of like to see a RIT earlier on.Just to run that class as a hero.Having a Rit after completeing the game doesnt mean anything to me.I'll hit DOA..well already have for GP=General Principal.Too bad I think it would of been cool to have Rit/hero in party....oh well
Oh love the way folks complain about other folks complaining...lol Cheese for everyone!

Gordon Ecker

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Vancouver, BC, Canada

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucifer PVP
And that is just like saying I still havn't seen any "life is great" "Make Life harder" "life is to easy" or "I love you" Threads... Just because 20 people have a complaint doesn't mean guildwars 600k plus players have an issue.
So basically you're claiming that you hold the majority opinion without any evidence to back it up other than a bunch of silent and possibly imaginary supporters. Fine, you can settle this with a poll thread. I'd do it but I can't figure out how. Right now the evidence is on my side.

quickmonty

quickmonty

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Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewfense
Your missing the point. The "average skilled player" on this thread is someone who has leeched their way through prophecies. Then they leeched their way through factions and now that they are done leeching their way through nightfall want to leech their way through DoA. The "average skills player" is an expert at loading a template with barrage and a pet on his bar. They are incapable of creating their own builds, much less a team build so they look to join someone elses group. Since there isn't an easy plan yet to beat DoA, the groups have no one to lead them and have no chance.

If you want to beat DoA and get your little rit hero, take initiative. I remember the first week of factions, XoO randomly let in a couple dozen random people from HzH. I knew none of the people and the majority of them sucked, but we started playing Urgoz every night. We developed a team build and were one of the first people to beat Urgoz. Several members of the party sold their longbows for over a million.

So you have a choice, you can either wait a month for an easy template for you to download of wiki and C+Space or you can make the template yourself. It isn't horribly time taking with Urgoz the majority of our group were part time players (we had 2 euros who would play during their work break ). Anet making missions of this difficulty are not to screw over casual players. Rather it is to reward good players with initiative. They will be the first to get the new items/armors/et cetera. Eveyone else will get them, they just wont get them first.

Seperating players based on skill, a hard concept for PvE ers.
That one little biased bit of bigotry nullifies anything positive you might have said. Let's stop the name calling and inuendo to try to make a point.

Lucifer PVP

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i think i would lose in the poll

torturewebs dryders drop titan

viper008

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Join Date: May 2005

What's even more didturbing that Anet hasn't even acknowledge our concerns in this thread as well many other since the DOA update.

Lucifer PVP

Lucifer PVP

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Quote:
Originally Posted by viper008
What's even more didturbing that Anet hasn't even acknowledge our concerns in this thread as well many other since the DOA update.
They havn't since 1st night of complants


wtf is err 10

viper008

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Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucifer PVP
They havn't since 1st night of complants


wtf is err 10
I know, it’s quite sad that they don't care to address our concerns but thin again it’s always easier to run than to face the customers who put food on their table.

err 10 hmm dunno about that one

crazy diamond

crazy diamond

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by viper008
I know, it’s quite sad that they don't care to address our concerns but thin again it’s always easier to run than to face the customers who put food on their table.

err 10 hmm dunno about that one
You know, I'm not exactly thrilled about the manner in which we are supposed to aquire Razah. I got him on my main, and haven't touched him, and intend to skip him for the rest of my characters. He is most definitely not worth the price of admission.

But this kind of attitude makes me hope they leave it as is just to spite people like you who act all high and mighty about the almighty dollar you pay for a goddamn video game.

Tropheus

Tropheus

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Join Date: Jul 2005

Germany

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Well, I don´t complain about how hard Razah is to get.
I complain about being defrauded by ANet.

In my book that came with Nightfall, on page 61:

Name: Azrah
...
....
Class: variable


So why isn´t he variable ?????

LIARS, SCAMMERS, NOTORIOUS BETRAYORS !!!!!

Lucifer PVP

Lucifer PVP

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o on a side note sold two titan gems for a total for 200k 200 ecto then divided it between my alliance party or six.. woot

Woop Shotty

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Join Date: Oct 2006

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I don't think I could get even close to obtaining Razah on all my characters, I think that says something.

Sedgehammer

Sedgehammer

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tropheus
Well, I don´t complain about how hard Razah is to get.
I complain about being defrauded by ANet.

In my book that came with Nightfall, on page 61:

Name: Azrah
...
....
Class: variable


So why isn´t he variable ?????
I agree... I didn't want to use him as a ritualist, I wanted to work on making even better team strategies that wouldn't otherwise be possible with heroes. Is it really too late to change it? I remember how happy I was the night Nightfall came in the mail and I read about Razah to my boyfriend. It's kindof lame now.

If I get any Titan Gemstones, I'm just going to sell them. I am currently in no way motivated to have a Razah. Has Gaile addressed the discrepancy between the previous announcement (in the book)? I know everyone was complaining that they wanted a ritualist hero, but making Razah even less flexible isn't a great response to that.

So...

/signed

EternalTempest

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Join Date: Jun 2005

United States

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/signed

Make Razah varable hero
Don't change difficulty of DOA
Give us easier access to a rit hero in similar fashion as other hero's

Lucifer PVP

Lucifer PVP

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sedgehammer
If I get any Titan Gemstones, I'm just going to sell them. I am currently in no way motivated to have a Razah. Has Gaile addressed the discrepancy between the previous announcement (in the book)? I know everyone was complaining that they wanted a ritualist hero, but making Razah even less flexible isn't a great response to that.

So...

/signed

Another point both of the buyers said thanks you several times... and gave in addition to the 100k 100 ecto each .. a mini varesh and a couple sup vigors after the transaction as a thankyou gift... people are very strange when everyone knows titan gems(like Greens) are going to drop like for lack of a better word rock in price.

ill wait a month or so .. jeeze

viper008

Banned

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by crazy diamond
You know, I'm not exactly thrilled about the manner in which we are supposed to aquire Razah. I got him on my main, and haven't touched him, and intend to skip him for the rest of my characters. He is most definitely not worth the price of admission.

But this kind of attitude makes me hope they leave it as is just to spite people like you who act all high and mighty about the almighty dollar you pay for a goddamn video game.

Excuse me where you do get that I act all high and mighty? no where, Anet are the ones acting all high and mighty by not addressing our concerns or even acknowledge them here on the fan site forums.


Video game or not they should address our concerns regardless, just wait in real life you pay for something and get shity support on car repairs etc thin you see who will be bitching.

So buzz off you dam troll

azathothx

azathothx

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/signed
why isn't razah unlockable in cantha? that strikes me as pretty darn ridiculous. have him be traded in for luxon or kurzick faction or something. not all of us want 15k armor or ownership of an outpost. be even better if he had an armor type matching whereever you bought him from.

all so much wishful thinking though. this new addition has really kinda soured me to anet a bit, it doesn't seem that they care about normal (not hardcore) players. i have a feeling i wont be buying the next expansion with the same gusto i did the previous two.

Velvet Wing

Velvet Wing

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Join Date: Aug 2006

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Razah's requirements just struck me as idiotic.. I love GW, I even love NF.. But this is just plain stupid.. and to me it is stupid for 2 very simple reasons..

1) When you don't own factions, Razah becomes quite useless.. unless you want to make a char with a selection of a mere 25 skills...

2) All other professions are easily obtained troughout the storyline.. some classes are even atainable twice (warrior, ele, monk, necro, ranger..) why is this? I mean, 2 SF ele's to deal some massive damage is fun.. but having 2 warriors rush in for no obvious reason is just as irritating as it is stupid.. (or maybe the little qoute at the start of Goren's discription in the manual was a forbode for this? "Goren is big. Goren is strong. Goren is really, really good at sprinting into battle..." It would be nice for all the people who actually do play rit's, and love them to pieces, to have an easier way to obtain Razah.. Playing trough Nightfall with my rit, just to get Razah (at the rediculous high price he is on now) feels as stupid as it sounds.. (trust me, I even started playing my rit trough, just cause I felt some people would like to have a rit around in their party ^^

I know prices on the gems will drop over time.. Still, The requirement to attain a hero that is not what it was supposed to be (variable) is a huge mistake on Anet's account..

crazy diamond

crazy diamond

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2005

Reading this makes me wish I could just give away Razah to some of you guys. I don't have Factions which makes the fact that I put up with DoA long enough to get him make me feel doubly retarded. I want something better for my investment in that god-forsaken zone.

Crom The Pale

Crom The Pale

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Join Date: Nov 2006

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To sum up what I think the majority of people on this post are saying....

Love the zone...

Hate the reward...

If Anet can't fix this, they could at least appolagize for it.

Yawgmoth

Yawgmoth

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Join Date: Apr 2005

/not signed

All the whiners want Razah right now, possibly as easily as talking to 2 npc's.
For me the gaining of Razah is very REASONABLE at the moment and there's no need to change anything.
How can you all expect an elite zone reward to be easily available for everyone after just a couple days since release?
Just give it some time
Do you really NEED to have Razah RIGHT NOW ?

viper008

Banned

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yawgmoth
/not signed

All the whiners want Razah right now, possibly as easily as talking to 2 npc's.
For me the gaining of Razah is very REASONABLE at the moment and there's no need to change anything.
How can you all expect an elite zone reward to be easily available for everyone after just a couple days since release?
Just give it some time
Do you really NEED to have Razah RIGHT NOW ?

Your post is irrelevant in every sense

It doesn't matter if people want him right now or 1 year from now that's not the point at all. The time (8+hrs), effort, and cost just for a rit hero is totally absurd in PVE comapred to about 2 hrs & 6k faction in PVP plus if you took time to read the thread you should've realized this by now.

vergerefosh

Wilds Pathfinder

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Too much work to get it for the reward

Lucifer PVP

Lucifer PVP

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ya err the foundy needs a nerf took like 4 1/2 hours

draxynnic

draxynnic

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucifer PVP
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You know, we know by now that it's POSSIBLE. Heck, the quest descriptions are starting to pop up on the wiki.

But getting, for example, FoW armour - but how do you think people would feel if there was some special armour mod that was only available on Fissure armour? Razah, as the sole Ritualist hero, is a similar situation.

Lucifer PVP

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Quote:
Originally Posted by draxynnic
You know, we know by now that it's POSSIBLE. Heck, the quest descriptions are starting to pop up on the wiki.

But getting, for example, FoW armour - but how do you think people would feel if there was some special armour mod that was only available on Fissure armour? Razah, as the sole Ritualist hero, is a similar situation.
no need to get offensive... just posting i did it. It is very frustrating, an i am not doing it again.

crazy diamond

crazy diamond

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Join Date: Jun 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yawgmoth
/not signed

All the whiners want Razah right now, possibly as easily as talking to 2 npc's.
For me the gaining of Razah is very REASONABLE at the moment and there's no need to change anything.
How can you all expect an elite zone reward to be easily available for everyone after just a couple days since release?
Just give it some time
Do you really NEED to have Razah RIGHT NOW ?
It would be reasonable for Razah to be in an elite zone if Razah were an elite hero, you know like the variable profession thing they had originally intended. If there was something special about him I would most certainly agree. But as of now, there is absolutely nothing special about him. Being a Ritualist is no more special than being an Assassin or a Mesmer. What exactly makes him so special to warrant such a pain in the arse quest to aquire? Would you do this quest for Koss, or Melonni?

So either make him special or give us something else for our troubles.

Series

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2006

Why don't they, say, make Razah variable, put a new Mesmer Hero in Lions Arch, and put a Rit Hero in Kaineg Center. That would solve a lot of problems. (That would make 2 heroes in proph, 2 in fact, the rest in NF, 2 of each core profession, 1 of each non-core profession, yay for matching numbers!)

Curse You

Curse You

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Series
Why don't they, say, make Razah variable, put a new Mesmer Hero in Lions Arch, and put a Rit Hero in Kaineg Center. That would solve a lot of problems. (That would make 2 heroes in proph, 2 in fact, the rest in NF, 2 of each core profession, 1 of each non-core profession, yay for matching numbers!)
Read the second page of this thread. Already been said.

Although just saying you support the idea is fine.

Sarevok Thordin

Sarevok Thordin

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Where are anet on this one ?_?

Sarevok Thordin

Sarevok Thordin

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Note: To anyone thinking it's as easy as getting a team to do this, no, it ain't

The population in GoA has dropped SHARPLY and people are quite strict about professions that go in =/

mqstout

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin
Where are anet on this one ?_?
Good question :/

I MP I

I MP I

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/signed It's just a rit hero. He should've been available in Factions Like Zenmai was. The idea that you have to go through so much crap to get a mere hero who's only one unchangeable profession is a joke. I rarely do pve or play this game much anymore but this is my opinion and I feel strongly about it.

Solar Light

Solar Light

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hm.. the lack of comments on this subject is bothering me

mqstout

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

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And everyone else. We're a (very nearly) unanimous voice to them that Razah/Ritualist hero as it is right now is WRONG. Yet, our voices have fallen on deaf ears it seems.

Kai Nui

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My personal sentiments on the subject:

Make Razah variable, I don't care what downsides there are to this, I just want it done.

Make a prophecies hero mesmer

Make a factions hero ritualist

This way, when we get our next chapter with 2 classes we'll be able to get both of them without anyone whining. This is plain ridiculous.

Stupid Shizno

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being that razah is an Rt hero now, it should have been implimented in factions quest. like the sin/necro.

Sniper Corps

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Here is a Subtle metaphor of ideals
Our E-mails and Angry posts being the Hand
Anet,and anyone who disagrees, being the face
Remaking this thread till we are heard, the bitch slap of Justice!

MithranArkanere

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I've been the first one saying that, and I'll keep saying this:

- A 3000 faction ritualist in Fations.
- A 6000 faction mesmer in Prophecies.
- One hero per new profession in each new campaing.

And done.

unmatchedfury

unmatchedfury

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Cookie Cutter [FTW]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Neriandal Freit
. Hard quests and determination give great rewards. Razah is that great reward.
LMFAO OMG if we only had quote in this forum that would be mine…. That’s the dumbest thing I've read here at Guru.
lets me italicize and bold the fun parts


Quote:
Originally Posted by Neriandal Freit
. Hard quests and determination give great rewards. Razah is that great reward.

Fallen Hunter

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I think there should be a rt profession hero available easily, and a variable profession hero for doa. It just makes sense. True, razah is very nice looking, but its not very balanced if only the most 1337 players in the game can have a rt hero...