Vote on PvP access control over PvE areas.
Swift Thief
No, I would like favor to control something other than areas. Like more bonuses and such. Europe hogs favor WAY too much and Americans only get favor during night...
Rene Saliere
I visited Heroes' Ascent today at 8pm EST while Europe had Favor and there was one America District.
I visited the International District and there were three Districts - all full of English speaking people - which means there were a lot of Americans and European people there who I thought might have been fighting for the Favor they are supposed to care about so much on their home servers...
Some of the comments Americans there gave me were:
'All the HA teams in America are noobs'
'Favor is for PvE noobs, I'm here for Fame.'
It was an amusing visit. For others wishing for an insight into a broken system, I advise visiting an International District in Heroes' Ascent and typing in Local Chat:
If you are American and you love your country /cheer
Enjoy your visit!
I visited the International District and there were three Districts - all full of English speaking people - which means there were a lot of Americans and European people there who I thought might have been fighting for the Favor they are supposed to care about so much on their home servers...
Some of the comments Americans there gave me were:
'All the HA teams in America are noobs'
'Favor is for PvE noobs, I'm here for Fame.'
It was an amusing visit. For others wishing for an insight into a broken system, I advise visiting an International District in Heroes' Ascent and typing in Local Chat:
If you are American and you love your country /cheer
Enjoy your visit!
lyra_song
Broken players will break a working game.
*Alexiel*
I'm a definite No, I think theres enough control ^^
Rene Saliere
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Originally Posted by lyra_song
Broken players will break a working game.
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Unfortunately, that is unnecessarily interfering with my PvE.
ca_aok
This is the crux of the matter... people in HA don't give a damn about UW/FoW access... they care about grinding fame for their flashy emotes. The percentage of teams that win halls and then go immediately play FoW with their hard earned favour is likely <5%, and that's probably being generous.
mikkel
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Originally Posted by lyra_song
Broken players will break a working game.
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If you opened a candy store and sold motor oil as well, would your customers be broken for not buying motor oil with their candy, or would your idea of selling motor oil in a candy store be broken?
It's clear to see that you like the idea of favour, but claiming that the intended audience of the game is "broken" because there's a part of the game that they don't like is ridiculous. By that logic, there'd be no such thing as design flaws, only flawed audiences. Good luck being successful in business with that attitude.
lyra_song
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Originally Posted by mikkel
It's clear to see that you like the idea of favour, but claiming that the intended audience of the game is "broken" because there's a part of the game that they don't like is ridiculous. By that logic, there'd be no such thing as design flaws, only flawed audiences. Good luck being successful in business with that attitude.
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I'm referring to "broken" as players that are assholes, just to clarify.
reetkever
I vote no. Is there ANY good reason at all to mix PvP and PvE up?
It only makes things worse, like some regions never having favor of the gods, and people in kurzick/luxon guilds actually being aggresive to each other.
Also, the outpost control is a pain in the neck, I don't play in jade sea/forest alot, but I'm kinda pissed off when I want to sell stuff or buy keys in the outpost, but I can't because the other guys have control over it.
Elite missions have NOTHING to do with guilds owning outposts, so why make a connection there?
The Nightfall way is good for elite missions, isn't beating the game 'elite' enough?
FoW and UW... This is just dumb. There were just more regions added, and with that, it's even harder for a specific region to get favor. My suggestion is to make UW/FoW free, except when you don't have favor, in that case you have to pay.
It only makes things worse, like some regions never having favor of the gods, and people in kurzick/luxon guilds actually being aggresive to each other.
Also, the outpost control is a pain in the neck, I don't play in jade sea/forest alot, but I'm kinda pissed off when I want to sell stuff or buy keys in the outpost, but I can't because the other guys have control over it.
Elite missions have NOTHING to do with guilds owning outposts, so why make a connection there?
The Nightfall way is good for elite missions, isn't beating the game 'elite' enough?
FoW and UW... This is just dumb. There were just more regions added, and with that, it's even harder for a specific region to get favor. My suggestion is to make UW/FoW free, except when you don't have favor, in that case you have to pay.
Viruzzz
yes. there is plenty of reason to mix pve and pvp, it creates a bridge between the 2 and might just make people consider playing something they might not even know existed, the whole control thing is a bit lame maybe, maybe a discount on entry if your region has favor? that way everyone can get in, and it still is worth fighting for.
Gli
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Originally Posted by Viruzzz
yes. there is plenty of reason to mix pve and pvp, it creates a bridge between the 2 and might just make people consider playing something they might not even know existed
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FA/JQ, missions that are part of the storyline (though not required), a bit of PvPing with PvE goals, that's mixing them up. Not this dreadful nonsense.
meat shield
Noooooooooooooo!
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Pwny Ride
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Originally Posted by Navaros
That makes things pretty sweet for Europe since Europe almost always has Favor for 18 hours out of every 24 hours. What does that make the "elite area" to Europe, since for all intents and purposes, Europe pretty much does indeed have unlimited access?
If they wanted to make equitable limited access they they could simply rotate Favor to every region, in equal timespans, based on time of day. |
You seem to think us Euro-server players dont work to get Favour. Its a privelage not a right, so pull your head out of your arse and dont make this into a euro-always-has-favour-wine-moan-complain flame thread.
Also it has been recently proven that 42% of all statistics are completely worthless.
Gli
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Originally Posted by Pwny Ride
You seem to think us Euro-server players dont work to get Favour.
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Navaros
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Originally Posted by Pwny Ride
Sorry i couldnt help myself. Your post is just so pathetic its unbeleivable.
You seem to think us Euro-server players dont work to get Favour. Its a privelage not a right, so pull your head out of your arse and dont make this into a euro-always-has-favour-wine-moan-complain flame thread. Also it has been recently proven that 42% of all statistics are completely worthless. |
I wasn't flaming Europe for always having Favor, I was simply pointing out that for an intended "limited access area", it hardly seems right that for the Europe region to have access for 18 out of every 24 hours. Which effectively equals unlimited access for Europe only. Thus defeating the whole concept of it being "elite because it is limited access".
It is true that many statistics are worthless, but the one I stated was not. It was based on concrete observation, and anyone who observes it would notice the exact same thing. Pretty much every night America has Favor from ~10PM or 11PM EST to ~6AM EST, and then Europe has it for 100% of the rest of the time. Sometimes America might get it at 9PM EST but that's about as much leeway as the pattern ever deviates. And when that does happen America often loses it for a few hours 30 minutes after getting it "early" at 9PM EST.
As for accessing a UW/FOW "not being a right", that's what this thread is for. Fixing that. It should be a right.
Kashrlyyk
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Originally Posted by anna
....But then why not have the PvE game affect some portions of PvP game play and game access? Not doing so seems a little unbalanced, maybe even unfair.....
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My vote is NO.
RichPowers
Integrating PvP into PvE missions is fine, even welcome. But having PvE access dependent on what other people are doing totally sucks.
The whole territorial conquest and control bit sounds good on paper, but most MMORPGs with such a concept fail in the implementation.
The whole territorial conquest and control bit sounds good on paper, but most MMORPGs with such a concept fail in the implementation.
Alias_X
I vote
NO...
NO...
Rene Saliere
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Originally Posted by Viruzzz
yes. there is plenty of reason to mix pve and pvp, it creates a bridge between the 2 and might just make people consider playing something they might not even know existed, the whole control thing is a bit lame maybe, maybe a discount on entry if your region has favor? that way everyone can get in, and it still is worth fighting for.
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My poll question is not about whether PvP and PvE should be mixed, however. It's asking:
Should PvP results affect to access to PvE areas?
AJD
No, the reasons I say no have already been given. Pvp is pretty much independent of PVE and that should work both ways.
Sorata Maladamir
No, the system for only the country having favor having access to FoW/UW is not fair because not every country even gets favor. Quite a few countries are being left out of having access to these neat places which is clearly unfair.
Also not to mention players who try to win halls, they don't do HoH to win favor, they do it to gain fame and to have fun...just like every gamer plays what they want to have fun.
My vote on PvE being dependent on PvP...definately no.
Also not to mention players who try to win halls, they don't do HoH to win favor, they do it to gain fame and to have fun...just like every gamer plays what they want to have fun.
My vote on PvE being dependent on PvP...definately no.
Sarevok Thordin
I vote YES.
It's one of the main things about HA, favor.
It's how it was designed. If you want to go there, stop being scared of fighting other people and GET IN THERE.
It's one of the main things about HA, favor.
It's how it was designed. If you want to go there, stop being scared of fighting other people and GET IN THERE.
Master Ketsu
I would be very surprised if anyone who has voted yes so far is anything higher then rank 2.
Coloneh
Yes, this is one of the things i like about guild wars. without things like this the PvE and PvP communities would be even more separated.
Dzus
Yes.
If you don't like not having favor and want to do something about it, go do HA. Otherwise, live with it you babies.
Besides, even if we always had access to FoW and UW, the draw (Money making) would be lost. Ectos and shards would plummet, and even jerks like myself could buy FoW.
And you don't want that, do you?
If you don't like not having favor and want to do something about it, go do HA. Otherwise, live with it you babies.
Besides, even if we always had access to FoW and UW, the draw (Money making) would be lost. Ectos and shards would plummet, and even jerks like myself could buy FoW.
And you don't want that, do you?
Master Ketsu
Make that suspicion Rank 1.
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin
I vote YES.
It's one of the main things about HA, favor. It's how it was designed. If you want to go there, stop being scared of fighting other people and GET IN THERE. |
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Originally Posted by Coloneh
Yes, this is one of the things i like about guild wars. without things like this the PvE and PvP communities would be even more separated.
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Originally Posted by Dzus
Yes.
If you don't like not having favor and want to do something about it, go do HA. Otherwise, live with it you babies. Besides, even if we always had access to FoW and UW, the draw (Money making) would be lost. Ectos and shards would plummet, and even jerks like myself could buy FoW. And you don't want that, do you? |
It would also be hard for Taiwan and Japan to get favor, what with a much smaller player base.
Dzus
The reason I voted Yes is because I can't stand the idea that there's something wrong with Favor.
I love the fact that we have a bridge between the PvE and PvP games, I don't want to see that change. Also, I don't farm FoW or UW for ectos or shards, and don't like FoW armor. So, your attack at my previous statement holds very little worth. It was a joke, way to overreact.
I love the fact that we have a bridge between the PvE and PvP games, I don't want to see that change. Also, I don't farm FoW or UW for ectos or shards, and don't like FoW armor. So, your attack at my previous statement holds very little worth. It was a joke, way to overreact.
Xethrion
The problem is, the bridge only works one way.
Want to make it fair? Make it so that only people with Protector of a continent can play HA. Let's see how the PvPers like being shackled by a game mode they have no interest in.
Want to make it fair? Make it so that only people with Protector of a continent can play HA. Let's see how the PvPers like being shackled by a game mode they have no interest in.
Bryant Again
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Originally Posted by Dzus
The reason I voted Yes is because I can't stand the idea that there's something wrong with Favor.
I love the fact that we have a bridge between the PvE and PvP games, I don't want to see that change. Also, I don't farm FoW or UW for ectos or shards, and don't like FoW armor. So, your attack at my previous statement holds very little worth. It was a joke, way to overreact. |
I would really like it if favor worked. I'm not sure how nice it was during Guild Wars release, but now it's just locking players out from a very enjoyable area. I never see Korea, Japan or Taiwan gain favor these days. There are indeed exceptions, but those happen nearly once a month if not longer. They also can't switch territories to Europe and America, so they're completely locked out from it, along with other things (shrines, for example.)
meerkats
No, PvP should in no way limit my PvE experience.
Master Ketsu
On third thought......Rank 0.
FoxBat
Clearly HA access should be restricted to the region of the #1 daily player on Remains of Salajah.
Rene Saliere
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Originally Posted by Xethrion
The problem is, the bridge only works one way.
Want to make it fair? Make it so that only people with Protector of a continent can play HA. Let's see how the PvPers like being shackled by a game mode they have no interest in. |
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Originally Posted by Foxbat
Clearly HA access should be restricted to the region of the #1 daily player on Remains of Salajah.
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Thanks.
RichPowers
In that case, I say NO: PvP should not restrict our access to PvE areas.
tomcruisejr
lots of things have changed already. if this was like june of 2005, ill vote yes.
pve and pvp are 2 seperate entities now so there should be no pvp access control over pve areas.
pve and pvp are 2 seperate entities now so there should be no pvp access control over pve areas.
spydre1
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Originally Posted by Ian Savage
Favor is one of the things that keeps PvE players connected to the PvP world,
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My vote is no.
Malibu Illusion
Avid PvPer, decent rank, blah, blah...
Most PvPers I know don't care whether or not we can access the areas that are currently restricted to regions with favor, myself included, and most PvEers I know don't care to win favor in HA because they have no desire to start PvPing and are quite content with PvE.
Based on that, it seems to me that all the favor system is doing right now is pissing people off unnecessarily. It needs to be revised.
In case you haven't realised, I vote no.
Most PvPers I know don't care whether or not we can access the areas that are currently restricted to regions with favor, myself included, and most PvEers I know don't care to win favor in HA because they have no desire to start PvPing and are quite content with PvE.
Based on that, it seems to me that all the favor system is doing right now is pissing people off unnecessarily. It needs to be revised.
In case you haven't realised, I vote no.
RSGashapon
As a strict PvE'er, I vote a loud 'NO!' to PvP content continuing to rule over PvE areas. This includes not only the aforementioned FoW/UW duo we all love, but also Urgoz's Warren and The Deep.
Access to FoW/UW should retain the 1k entry fee, but lose the link with favor. Urgoz's and The Deep could be modified to allow all Kurzick or Luxon alliances access instead of just the controllers of HzH and Cavalon.
Access to FoW/UW should retain the 1k entry fee, but lose the link with favor. Urgoz's and The Deep could be modified to allow all Kurzick or Luxon alliances access instead of just the controllers of HzH and Cavalon.
mikkel
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Originally Posted by Master Ketsu
On third thought......Rank 0.
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Originally Posted by Dzus
Yes.
If you don't like not having favor and want to do something about it, go do HA. Otherwise, live with it you babies. |
No, we won't "live with it" and leave it in the hands of PvP "babies" who couldn't care less about who has favour.
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Originally Posted by Dzus
Besides, even if we always had access to FoW and UW, the draw (Money making) would be lost. Ectos and shards would plummet, and even jerks like myself could buy FoW.
And you don't want that, do you? |