GWEN...new title GRIND!

That's a nice perspective on it... I actually didn't care about HoM much until I read this. I agree they can definitely be more flexible with what we display though.

For me Grind means having to do something menial over and over and over again in order to progress further ahead in the game. an example would be like when I played Final Fantasy (#) and I would have to be a certain level before I would learn new spells or would have to be lvl X in order to even survive the next area.

Guild Wars, in my opinion, does not make you "grind" in order to progress. Everything that seems to need "grinding" for in GW is purely optional!!

God, the more I read peoples whining, complaining post that are filling up the first couple pages here I just get sick of it. Players here want things handed to them on a silver freakin platter. They don't want to work for a damned thing. Oh they want that new shiny item to be special and leet. They want to be the first to get chaos gloves or whatever. But they are not willing to do anything for it.

Why do you think some things in this game are special?? Cause they are hard to get and not everyone will take the time to get them. THAT is why they are special. How special would it be for everyone to finish GW:EN automatically had Magma Gloves put into their inventory?? Well then they would not be worth spit just like the mini-warthog was special to begin with until it was figured out that everyone got one. Not so special then were they.

Fact is, you want something uber,leet,special and standout then you are going to have to do more than just play through the story line.

GW:EN has only be out 5 days!!! For gosh sake stop complaining for once and go play the friggin game!! "oh but I beat it already" WHAT? Jesus! NO one forced you to do a marathon run through. In Five days I am still doing Norn quests, have not even seen the lands of the Ausra, and barely fought Charr. Slooooow down and enjoy the game for pete's sake.

I think *grind* is anything you have to do over and over again to earn something. Where the enjoyment often comes from the "newness" of something, grind would be the same ole. Most games and even most of your everyday life is grind in that sense. Just a lot of repetitive stuff. But, to be abe to offer such a wide spectrum of ways to earn the end goal would require a huge amount of time and resources, for technological type things like this, the game would be outdated in many ways long before it was ever to be released. All in all i think a-net did a pretty good job of offering some new unique ways to do the very similar stuff all over again and made it prettier then any MMO available. For the basic game engine design to look this good 2.5 years later is a pretty good accomplishment as well.

At the very basic level, all games are "grind."

Once you learn that specific games mechanics, you are essentially doing the same things over and over (albeit, at harder difficulty or with slight tweaks, like a new weapon in a FPS).

Tell that to my Mesmer who just wanted to get Signet of Illusion...

My point is everything could be considered grind if you are not enjoying the game.

i would not care about grinding for armor IF it didn't suck..i am disappointed about most of the armor sets in my opinion most should be taken out and new armors created the only things i would grind for are the unique things such as the asuran spectacles seriously anet you promised us 40 armors but you never said they would look so bad

I think some are missing the point with GW:EN here. It isn't about finishing the game, it's about exploring the new areas, doing all the dungeons. I bet most who complained didn't even finish all of the dungeons. If you do 1 area at a time you will enjoy it more.

Some are complaining about grind. Well if you haven't played FFXI,WOW,Lineage 2 then you have no idea what grind is. Just playing through the game I already am almost rank 5 with the Asura simply by doing the dungeons and quests.

Why should they? Just because it happens to be you don't like the way they look? I'm sure they think they look just fine, and I agree.

Poopalook, then. You like poopalook? I'll use 'poopalook' to describe the tedious, repetitive, eye-watering act of spending hours doing the same thing over and over again to reach a certain mark in a game.

Tomato, tomato. While personal definitions will vary somewhat here and there, most people understand what 'grind' means in this context, whether you enjoy the act it describes or not. I don't really care if you agree with the widely accepted definition of the word, just don't tell us how we should use it to accommodate your confusion.

i know grind can get boring (sslb farming for hours is a chore) but so far i love gwen and have no prob farmin the points (granted 200k is lookin real far away tho) but to get the 26k for armor seems ok and resonable cos it makes ppl put in effort to get it which i think is fair enough (they even lowered it from the preview tho that was expected) and tho there is meant to be no grind in gw there has to be something to distinguish those who play alot and are hardcore gwers and those who are casual/somewhere in between so tho there may be some isues with it overall it seems like an ok system

I think you're more interested in splitting hairs then debating the issue which of course is your prerogative but again from what I see I don't think the issue for most is the fact something has to be earned. The issue is the it really requires nothing other then spending time versus actually requiring the player to surmount a challenge. So I completed the main story line in GW:EN and got my end game item. That is an example of how I was presented with a challenge and rewarded for completing it. Yet being done with the game I don't have access to any of the armorers and in order to get access I need to accumulate thousands more points. Granted I have a few quests left that will get me some additional points but that will still leave me well short of the points required to gain access. So at that time I will have to resort to "grinding" points by spending time for no other purpose other then point accumulation. That is not a challenge and that doesn't really feel like I'm earning anything. It feels like the game has trapped me into a time sink and my choices are stepping away from the trap or putting in the time.

Of course each player will make that choice on their own. The point is could ANET have done a better job of holding the players interest and avoiding the time sink? I guess your viewpoint is no. I was expecting better. Frankly from a number of the titles that have been created over the last 12 months or so I should have known better. My mistake.

Maybe I'm just a little confused here, but Lightbringer's gaze/signet was/were actually REQUIRED to complete Nightfall???

You're opinion of how the armor looks does not give you the throw insults at them. Whether you feel like "grinding" for those armor is up to you, that doesn't mean they have "no talent".

tiresome? repetitive? opinions. Because I certainly don't think geting to rank 5 is tiresome nor reptetitive. I thought it was easy, but you won't see me asking for them to raise the rank requirements based on MY opinion.

If you don't like the game go ahead and rant, elaborate why you don't like it, but don't lace it with insults like "slap in the face." This isn't me telling you what to do or say, this is me saying you're just being god damn rude.

For the record, I never argued against more options for reputations, I'm perfectly fine with what we have now, but more is always better. I'm concerned with people who wants to reduce the ranks or eliminate it all together.

So what if they do reduce it? And the next time an expansion comes out... you want them to reduce it more? With each passing release, we constantly ask them to reduce achievement requirements, so that we can "achieve" less and yet reap the goods.

If the kids aren't passing the tests, you don't reduce the difficulty... it just means they gotta study more.

So in short, my viewpoint is yes, I just don't think most of the people here complaining about the rank is actually asking for more options as opposed to "lowering the ranks" or eliminating it all together.

Hope that answers your question.

Not the skills themselves, but certain pivotal quests will not be available until players reach certain ranks. It is not possible to pass the game without at least acquiring Sunspear General.

Diablo, hate to tell you this, as I know some to get so involved with the game that they can't let it go. This is not life. It is a product that was produced for the enjoyment of the customer. If the customer is not happy with the product, they have every right to complain and make sure that the company and the other prospective buyers are aware. This is done with every product the world over.

I am not happy with GWEN. I have stated my reasons. You stated that you worked in the gaming industry but not Anet. What GWEN did is becoming norm for most games now to get more time online so the customer feels the got a BARGAIN. The BARGAIN with Guild Wars has been that it was never like this and you could enjoy the game as a casual player. This has fundementaly changed. GWEN feels so much like WOW with the timing of the quests, the ENDLESS grinding if you want the skills, that in my opinion I really don't care about. They are not that good. Hence my reason for I would love my money back.

So, if you compare a game to real life as you did, you prove my point. A Challenge to get what you want, sure. Difficulty hard with impossible odds, bring it on. Wasting time grinding, NOT.

Ummm, I wouldn't say that. I have been playing GW:EN since day one, thoroughly enjoying myself, and have ranks of exactly zero in everything. I'm not saying the ranks are hard to attain, but you do have to go out of your way to get them.

I shouldn't have to go side track myself just to be able to window shop for the armor, weapons, consumables, etc. I should be able to at least have access through normal play of the primary questline. Factions allowed for 15k luxon/kurzick through following the questlines which brought you to the places. You gained the 10k faction by doing the quests given to you which lead you along the questline, ie the the quests given in cavalon and house zu helzter. I shouldn't have to follow the questline for a bit, then spend a few hours in one spot, then continue back on with the story. By the time I finish GWEN I should already have at least rank5 just by going through the primaries. Not stopping and making pit stops here and there to gain more rep points.

There are some good suggestions, but then there are some crazy stupid people out there that thinks they got the right idea, but if we listen to everybody, then the game wouldn't get very far either. (This is in no way directed at you, just a reason why you can't just take everybody's suggestion)

As far as I'm concerned it still is a casual game, the endless rush to grind, the "timing of the quests" are all self-imposed deadlines. When they say it's a casual game play, they mean there's no imposed incentive to play or you'll lose $15 monthly fees. The game doesn't penalize you for going AWOL for a month. When you come back to play, everything's the same, you're not suddenly incapable of handling the environment or PvP becomes entirely out of your level range. This is how I percieve it at least.

It certainly shouldn't be a surprise to log on to a game after AWOLing for a month to realize many players have 15k armors, such system has been there since Prophecies. So really, nothing has changed.

Couple of A+ students have passed the test, and the C-students couldn't make the hurdle because studying was too much "grind". They ask the teacher's to reduce the passing grade so that they too can pass. I don't see how this is different than how it is.

You're absolutely right. The 40 bucks I paid for the game gives me the right to throw insults at them.


Great, you're easily amused. If you feel you got what you paid for, then it's all good. I think you could have saved some money by buying a sack of marbles, but that's my lowly opinion.

Well now that I have your permission to rant, I feel much better. Hmm, but it does seem like you're telling me 'what to do or say', doesn't it? I mean why can't I use the phrase "slap in the face" if it suits my fancy? Look, if you're the one who designed the armor, no hard feelings. Just try and learn from the numerous examples of great fantasy art floating around on the internet and you might be able to come up with something more creative next time. Good luck.