Make all grind-based titles account based.
Lishy
I slightly agree with vinny.
roshanabey2
you winned me over and i was first against the idea, so well done
roshanabey2
I think for the Eotn titles it should be done, so that it becomes account based as soon as you reach the amount of reputation it would take to comlete all the primary quest normally in the campaign, without any bonus's or grinding or farming points just primary questing.
Snow Bunny
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Originally Posted by VinnyRidira
You need 10,000,000 Kurzick and 10,000,000 Luxon, which you cannot do at the same time, way way over the top of normal.
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Cheerio mate, back into the trenches.
Voltaic Annihilator
/signed half way, i love all the title grind account base idea except the eotn titles
Nanood
/signed
It's a fantastic idea.
It's a fantastic idea.
Murkrow
Definitive sign.
I mean, money and item vault is shared among characters. Why also not titles connected to them?
I mean, money and item vault is shared among characters. Why also not titles connected to them?
Giga_Gaia
Wow this thread is still going? Good job bilateralrope. Any word from Anet if this would even be considered yet? In any case, just to show my support.
/sign
/sign
Wise Watchman
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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
I didive the titles in 3 groups:
- PvP titles. - Achievement titles. - Grind titles. I didive then grind titles into 3 types: *Linked titles: Linked to PvE skills. *Unlinked titles: Not linked to PvE skills. *Limited titles: LDoA and Survivor. I would agree with making all the Unlinked and Limited titles account based. For for linked titles, I would just make it easir to max them the more characters you own. |
Unfortunately not much chance of it happening.
Dimlor
/megasigned!
Vaal 84
/signed times 10 to the power of a million.
Nadasee
/Signed
Allways wanted this!
Allways wanted this!
odly
/signed on :
- Drunkard
- Sweet Tooth
- Treasure Hunter
- Wisdom
/double signed on :
- Lightbringer
- Sunspear
- Asura
- Deldrimor
- Ebon Vanguard
- Norn
Double because they have skills attached to them ! Having to grind again on another character just si the skills will be as good as on your first really makes me sad.
- Drunkard
- Sweet Tooth
- Treasure Hunter
- Wisdom
/double signed on :
- Lightbringer
- Sunspear
- Asura
- Deldrimor
- Ebon Vanguard
- Norn
Double because they have skills attached to them ! Having to grind again on another character just si the skills will be as good as on your first really makes me sad.
pumpkin pie
/signed these:
- Drunkard
- Sweet Tooth
- Treasure Hunter
- Wisdom
Add these:
- Survivor
/unsigned these:
- Lightbringer
- Sunspear
- Asura
- Deldrimor
- Ebon Vanguard
- Norn
- Drunkard
- Sweet Tooth
- Treasure Hunter
- Wisdom
Add these:
- Survivor
/unsigned these:
- Lightbringer
- Sunspear
- Asura
- Deldrimor
- Ebon Vanguard
- Norn
Kiasyd117
better option would be to eliminate grinder titles all together and only have titles that either benefit gameplay or signify a completion of a worthwhile pursuit.
In
prot, guard, survivor, explorer, wisdom, treasure, vanq, hero, glad, champ, commander, lux/kurz, ss, lb, norn, asuran, vanguard, dwarf
out
drunkard, party animal, sweet tooth, LDoA, lucky/unlucky, big deal
People like their titles so that will never happen, and lucky/unlucky have gameplay benefits but the ring games need to die if they are to stay.
In
prot, guard, survivor, explorer, wisdom, treasure, vanq, hero, glad, champ, commander, lux/kurz, ss, lb, norn, asuran, vanguard, dwarf
out
drunkard, party animal, sweet tooth, LDoA, lucky/unlucky, big deal
People like their titles so that will never happen, and lucky/unlucky have gameplay benefits but the ring games need to die if they are to stay.
MithranArkanere
Eliminate is NEVER an option.
Once added they can change it only.
Once added they can change it only.
Scary
/signed.
For the same reason I mentioned it in the treasure/wisdom topic.
Grinding in the way Anet making you at the moment is pleasure killing.
Tell me, why not stimulate players to make differnt characters.
No They wont.... They obligate you to play with just one ore otherwise
there is no chance to make all of those titles. Only the PvP acount related ???
All this grinding is killing GuildWars its getting real boring and its frustrating
to have several characters that you like to play, but you wont couse its
such a shame to open that chest with one couse the other can use it better
for a title.
ANET Wake up and make guildwars a rpg again, if you want us to grind. let us
grind herbs to make some kind of potions or let us grind monsters couse
they drop thing that you can make armor of etc.
Dont let us grind for just some STUPID titles that let you most of our chars
get rusty or give just the adicts with to mutch time on there hands give
some kind of advantage in GW 2
/SIGNED
For the same reason I mentioned it in the treasure/wisdom topic.
Grinding in the way Anet making you at the moment is pleasure killing.
Tell me, why not stimulate players to make differnt characters.
No They wont.... They obligate you to play with just one ore otherwise
there is no chance to make all of those titles. Only the PvP acount related ???
All this grinding is killing GuildWars its getting real boring and its frustrating
to have several characters that you like to play, but you wont couse its
such a shame to open that chest with one couse the other can use it better
for a title.
ANET Wake up and make guildwars a rpg again, if you want us to grind. let us
grind herbs to make some kind of potions or let us grind monsters couse
they drop thing that you can make armor of etc.
Dont let us grind for just some STUPID titles that let you most of our chars
get rusty or give just the adicts with to mutch time on there hands give
some kind of advantage in GW 2
/SIGNED
U Wanna Die
actually i am completely against this idea
picture situation a:
I got to domain of anguish and gemset and i get an ambrace. i sell it and spend all money on sweet tooth and party animal title tracks and get max for both (i know one ambrace probably couldnt fund it, but bear with me) THEN every char i make already has 2 max titles.
situation b:
I got to domain of anguish and gemset and i get an ambrace. i sell it and spend all money on sweet tooth and party animal title tracks and get max for both (i know one ambrace probably couldnt fund it, but bear with me) NOW i have to earn more money so do it for another char so everyone isnt running around with koabd title
/notsigned
picture situation a:
I got to domain of anguish and gemset and i get an ambrace. i sell it and spend all money on sweet tooth and party animal title tracks and get max for both (i know one ambrace probably couldnt fund it, but bear with me) THEN every char i make already has 2 max titles.
situation b:
I got to domain of anguish and gemset and i get an ambrace. i sell it and spend all money on sweet tooth and party animal title tracks and get max for both (i know one ambrace probably couldnt fund it, but bear with me) NOW i have to earn more money so do it for another char so everyone isnt running around with koabd title
/notsigned
Eldin
/signed /signed /SIGNED!
My ranger, my main character whom I've had since 2005, turned in his handbook and got R5 Asura. He grinded snowmen for R5 Deldrimor, and he got it up to R6 Deldrimor by beating The Great Destroyer on HM during this double reputation weekend. I am trying to max it out for my HoM. I am filling out a new handbook to get my Norn rank to R5, and my Vanguard rank is R3 and I am clearing Sacnoth Valley to raise it. This is exhausting but gives me a sense of satisfaction.
Oh wait! I just remembered I have 6 other characters! This could take a while...
I'm not for the idea of making Party Animal, Drunkard, etc account based. They are massive money sinks, and it would be unfair if you can give all your characters a big title just because your uber rich 55 monk got it.
My ranger, my main character whom I've had since 2005, turned in his handbook and got R5 Asura. He grinded snowmen for R5 Deldrimor, and he got it up to R6 Deldrimor by beating The Great Destroyer on HM during this double reputation weekend. I am trying to max it out for my HoM. I am filling out a new handbook to get my Norn rank to R5, and my Vanguard rank is R3 and I am clearing Sacnoth Valley to raise it. This is exhausting but gives me a sense of satisfaction.
Oh wait! I just remembered I have 6 other characters! This could take a while...
I'm not for the idea of making Party Animal, Drunkard, etc account based. They are massive money sinks, and it would be unfair if you can give all your characters a big title just because your uber rich 55 monk got it.
Scary
Wel you can speculate of a drunkard or related titels shouldnt be
acount related, why becouse of a rich 55 monk, wich skill are continuly
nerved. Or becouse of those people without a live a job a family who have
the time to spend over 5 to 10 hours a day just for grinding farming etc.
Such people wil have a advantage in GW 2 becouse they have more titels.
People who love the game and want to try all characters, bring them to max
level and try to get the related skills do all quests with al chars all missions.
and even try some Elite missioons.
WITH OTHER WORDS, THEY REALLY ENJOY THE GAME.
Those people WONT get their titles just becouse they understand how a game
should be playd instead of continuly grinding for some stupid titles.
And dont give me that nonsens...well its up to you, you dont have to get
those titles.... No you dont have to.. but dont give others advantage over it.
acount related, why becouse of a rich 55 monk, wich skill are continuly
nerved. Or becouse of those people without a live a job a family who have
the time to spend over 5 to 10 hours a day just for grinding farming etc.
Such people wil have a advantage in GW 2 becouse they have more titels.
People who love the game and want to try all characters, bring them to max
level and try to get the related skills do all quests with al chars all missions.
and even try some Elite missioons.
WITH OTHER WORDS, THEY REALLY ENJOY THE GAME.
Those people WONT get their titles just becouse they understand how a game
should be playd instead of continuly grinding for some stupid titles.
And dont give me that nonsens...well its up to you, you dont have to get
those titles.... No you dont have to.. but dont give others advantage over it.
Yoshikuni Mahsu
/notsigned for the OP
/signed for what the guy with pie in his avatar said. (Exept for what I changed)
Doing this is basically giving 90% of the people on gw, max rank in the skill-affecting titles. PvE skills are WAY overpowered in the first place (and a bad idea imho See: Ursan Blessing). The only thing that limits they're effectivness is the need for a high rank in the aligned title. CAN YOU IMAGINE EVERYONE HAVING R10 URSAN? PvE would get steamrolled. I can imagine price drops on everything rare (because the place it drops would be much easier to plow though).
/signed for what the guy with pie in his avatar said. (Exept for what I changed)
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/signed these:
- Drunkard - Sweet Tooth - Treasure Hunter ~~~~~~~> No, it will get abused. - Wisdom ~~~~~~~> No, it will get abused. Add these: - Survivor ~~~~~~~> No, completely ruins the idea of the title. /unsigned these: - Lightbringer - Sunspear - Asura - Deldrimor - Ebon Vanguard - Norn |
Scary
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???????? Prices where killd by Anet them selfs by introducing green weapons
and by nerving prices of runes (droprate of rare runes) Do you want me to go
on, Or was it couse they nerved the nerved skills that made it possible to
make proper teams without PvE skills.
Men, let them Drop much and much more even near perfect weapons, and let the real rares be rare. But not after almost 3 years of GW, most of the players
already have a storage full of green and perfect waepons, so what is the use
of having a couple of 100 K's when you already have everyting the max.
Dont relate titles to something as a ingame economy, couse if that should
be a reason they would of think those things over before they make titles.
Cant say it enough, Grinding on itself just for titles is the most stupid thing in
a rpg. Ok in Gwen you can boost your skills with it wich isnt a bad thing.
But the other titels are made to give people a advantage in a game that
isnt even in Beta yet. And that *****
BlackSephir
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Originally Posted by Yoshikuni Mahsu
PvE would get steamrolled.
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So nothing would change, only people who hate grind woul be happy.
Sweet Mystery
LOL... here come the Ursanmoaners again.... people can't cope with the fact some people may want to use a skill and others not. I used it but I prefer my basic skill bars so I can wary what I do.
Back on topic....
/signed to the real grind ones...
Wisdom, Treasure Hunter, Drunkard, Sweet Tooth and Party Animal....
Lucky title already used for lockpick retention and account based so why not Treasure Hunter too...?
/unsigned to the rep ones.
These should be character specific as will show achievements within the campaign your doing on the character. I would not want a newbie character to have the ability to blitz margonites with R8 LB when they get to the Bastion... would make a mockery of the mission. Those need to still be worked on to grind them up.
I've 2 quite a few characters where I maxed LB and SS, and 1 where maxed the EOTN ones and another nearly maxed them. It aint hard and it aint boring and it is only grind for the bores who want it quick and handed to them.
Back on topic....
/signed to the real grind ones...
Wisdom, Treasure Hunter, Drunkard, Sweet Tooth and Party Animal....
Lucky title already used for lockpick retention and account based so why not Treasure Hunter too...?
/unsigned to the rep ones.
These should be character specific as will show achievements within the campaign your doing on the character. I would not want a newbie character to have the ability to blitz margonites with R8 LB when they get to the Bastion... would make a mockery of the mission. Those need to still be worked on to grind them up.
I've 2 quite a few characters where I maxed LB and SS, and 1 where maxed the EOTN ones and another nearly maxed them. It aint hard and it aint boring and it is only grind for the bores who want it quick and handed to them.
BlackSephir
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Originally Posted by Sweet Mystery
LOL... here come the Ursanmoaners again.... people can't cope with the fact some people may want to use a skill and others not. I used it but I prefer my basic skill bars so I can wary what I do.
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But I guess this is for another thread. It's just pathetic because if AN implemented "Pissed-off was ANet" which kills all mobs in the area and assignes drops for you, it still would be ok because... you can not use it. Duh.
legion_rat
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Originally Posted by BlackSephir
Poor guy, how about reading topic's name
" Make all grind-based titles account based." Is Kind of a Big Deal grind-based title? I'll leave you with this question and a lil' hint. Think sometimes, ok? |
but for the OP /signed the cartographer titles, defender titles and such are a challenge. grind isnt.
lets hope it works Rope.
~the rat~
BlackSephir
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Originally Posted by legion_rat
koabt is grind, you get asura,spear,norn,dwarf,lb thats five to get the first tier.
but for the OP /signed the cartographer titles, defender titles and such are a challenge. grind isnt. lets hope it works Rope. ~the rat~ |
Anyway, Koabd isn't grind. It's that kind of title you can earn by maxing survivor, skill hunter, vanquisher, protector and guardian.
If you chose to max out 5 GWEN titles then yes, it's done by grinding.
The title itself doesn't force you to grind.
Yoshikuni Mahsu
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Originally Posted by Sweet Mystery
LOL... here come the Ursanmoaners again.... people can't cope with the fact some people may want to use a skill and others not. I used it but I prefer my basic skill bars so I can wary what I do.
Back on topic.... /signed to the real grind ones... Wisdom, Treasure Hunter, Drunkard, Sweet Tooth and Party Animal.... Lucky title already used for lockpick retention and account based so why not Treasure Hunter too...? /unsigned to the rep ones. These should be character specific as will show achievements within the campaign your doing on the character. I would not want a newbie character to have the ability to blitz margonites with R8 LB when they get to the Bastion... would make a mockery of the mission. Those need to still be worked on to grind them up. I've 2 quite a few characters where I maxed LB and SS, and 1 where maxed the EOTN ones and another nearly maxed them. It aint hard and it aint boring and it is only grind for the bores who want it quick and handed to them. |
what I care about is the already overpowered (ursan is just 1 example) PvE skills getting they're effects multiplied by 10.
MithranArkanere
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I could care less about ursan,
what I care about is the already overpowered (ursan is just 1 example) PvE skills getting they're effects multiplied by 10. |
Toryss
Wisdom and Treasure Hunter should definitely be account wide, it's quite silly that it isn't at the moment.
Reputations (SS/LB/Asuran/etc) should be account wide as well, but with some limitations put in to avoid abuse at lower levels. Perhaps by not allowing that character to tap into the account based ranks until it completes the appropriate campaign.
Guild Wars started out as a game that promoted playing multiple characters, however it is failing to do so in it's current state.
Reputations (SS/LB/Asuran/etc) should be account wide as well, but with some limitations put in to avoid abuse at lower levels. Perhaps by not allowing that character to tap into the account based ranks until it completes the appropriate campaign.
Guild Wars started out as a game that promoted playing multiple characters, however it is failing to do so in it's current state.
Cloudstriker
/not signed. Now let me explain why.
While I think the ideas are quite admirable, as I'm grinding out the titles on my monk and absolutely REFUSE to do so on another of my other toons, making them account based doesn't make sense.
If my MONK becomes a legendary spearmarshall, it is his actions and slaying of beasts that earn him the title, not my warrior or ranger. Similarly if my monk spends 10 000 minutes drunk and my warrior has never touched a drop of alcohol, why would she receive the ale hound title? It just doesn't make sense the way the titles themselves were set up.
While I think the ideas are quite admirable, as I'm grinding out the titles on my monk and absolutely REFUSE to do so on another of my other toons, making them account based doesn't make sense.
If my MONK becomes a legendary spearmarshall, it is his actions and slaying of beasts that earn him the title, not my warrior or ranger. Similarly if my monk spends 10 000 minutes drunk and my warrior has never touched a drop of alcohol, why would she receive the ale hound title? It just doesn't make sense the way the titles themselves were set up.
MithranArkanere
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/not signed. Now let me explain why.
While I think the ideas are quite admirable, as I'm grinding out the titles on my monk and absolutely REFUSE to do so on another of my other toons, making them account based doesn't make sense. If my MONK becomes a legendary spearmarshall, it is his actions and slaying of beasts that earn him the title, not my warrior or ranger. Similarly if my monk spends 10 000 minutes drunk and my warrior has never touched a drop of alcohol, why would she receive the ale hound title? It just doesn't make sense the way the titles themselves were set up. |
Nah. The PvP title system is way better, since it rewards PLAYERS, not sticking to a single character without trying the other professions.
Account wide is better for the grind ttiles, those earned point by point.
N1ghtstalker
/notsigned
so you wanna make r10 ursans on all chars whaw
that's rly a seriously bad idea
some quests like to get R7 SS on your char in NF will just be too easy
you wanna take the last bit of challenge out of the game
this suggestion is the fail of the century for me
so you wanna make r10 ursans on all chars whaw
that's rly a seriously bad idea
some quests like to get R7 SS on your char in NF will just be too easy
you wanna take the last bit of challenge out of the game
this suggestion is the fail of the century for me
Artorius.Maximus
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/notsigned
so you wanna make r10 ursans on all chars whaw that's rly a seriously bad idea some quests like to get R7 SS on your char in NF will just be too easy you wanna take the last bit of challenge out of the game this suggestion is the fail of the century for me |
Is getting R7 SS in NF a hard task? I did that in one day when it was released.
So, if drinking for 100,000 minutes to get 10 chars with Ale Hound is the last challenge of the game, then your argument makes sense. I for one enjoy actually playing the game as opposed to sitting in a town and doubleclicking my mouse a few times every 3 minutes.
Isileth
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/notsigned
so you wanna make r10 ursans on all chars whaw that's rly a seriously bad idea |
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some quests like to get R7 SS on your char in NF will just be too easy
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There is no challenge in grinding points. Just time.
It wouldnt make the game easier as those bits offer no level of challenge.
N1ghtstalker
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Ok, I could really care less about the stupid Ursan Blessing. Yeah, everyone (maybe not really everyone) uses it to do the elite areas. I don't care.
Is getting R7 SS in NF a hard task? I did that in one day when it was released. So, if drinking for 100,000 minutes to get 10 chars with Ale Hound is the last challenge of the game, then your argument makes sense. I for one enjoy actually playing the game as opposed to sitting in a town and doubleclicking my mouse a few times every 3 minutes. |
but just imagine the consequences
with a few maxed titles on that char
another few maxed titles on another char
getting God walking amongst men will just be too easy
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Its not as if it matters since people can already use it. I am however all for balancing UB as its way out of line. But to say only certain players should access a skill is stupid.
Are they currently hard? There is no challenge in grinding points. Just time. It wouldnt make the game easier as those bits offer no level of challenge. |
MithranArkanere
The purpose of Ursan Blessing was to let players enter to places where they were not usually allowed due to their profession.
The only possible downside of this is favor decreasing, but that is fixed just by making the effect of the highest title work for all characters, while keeping each single character track or that character.
The only possible downside of this is favor decreasing, but that is fixed just by making the effect of the highest title work for all characters, while keeping each single character track or that character.
Isileth
In that case its not a problem with people having access to it but the skill itself.
If the skill is that overpowered (which it is) that it would have such a negative impact (which it would) if more people used it then the skill is what needs to be changed.
The ammount of people that have access to it is irrelavent, its just as powerful if 100 people can use it as it would be if 10,000 could use it.
So using that as a reason against account wide titles seems rather odd, because the problem is not at all related to this change rather a skill balance issue.
If the skill is that overpowered (which it is) that it would have such a negative impact (which it would) if more people used it then the skill is what needs to be changed.
The ammount of people that have access to it is irrelavent, its just as powerful if 100 people can use it as it would be if 10,000 could use it.
So using that as a reason against account wide titles seems rather odd, because the problem is not at all related to this change rather a skill balance issue.
Hannes
/signed 4 it being made account based:
- Drunkard
- Sweet Tooth
- Treasure Hunter
- Wisdom
/notsigned for making it account based (ie keep it as it is currently, character based):
- Lightbringer
- Sunspear
- Asura
- Deldrimor
- Ebon Vanguard
- Norn
- Drunkard
- Sweet Tooth
- Treasure Hunter
- Wisdom
/notsigned for making it account based (ie keep it as it is currently, character based):
- Lightbringer
- Sunspear
- Asura
- Deldrimor
- Ebon Vanguard
- Norn
BlackSephir
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/notsigned
so you wanna make r10 ursans on all chars whaw that's rly a seriously bad idea some quests like to get R7 SS on your char in NF will just be too easy you wanna take the last bit of challenge out of the game this suggestion is the fail of the century for me |
Hey boy, have a look at the date, when this thread was opened. Back then we didn't have silly ursan to wipe out every area on hm brainlessly.
Unless the op is a mindreader, you failed.
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If yes, /pity.
To all those who say "OMG but then God Walking Amongst Mere Mortals will be easier to get!"- I have a question.
An important one.
So what?