BMP sell seperate petition.

LoL makes sense? you do realize that they made shovels full of 'free money' already. if and when they re-sell it, it will be nickels and dimes compared to what is already in the bank.(from the promo sales)

I suggest you then explicitly start your replies with a specific message stating you are only talking about the US-ians (I guess brasilians or canadians are Americans too). Because GWG like GW is a global environment, we have to try to leave together and pointing at what can be done in "our" system is not good (I had no problem in the UK, the so-called "51st state" but I would never take that as a "minimum requirement", GWG showed how large in terms of countru GW is).

You seem to fight pretty hard to try to make people realise their so-called "n00bness" (sic) or lazyness, which may well be true for some. Why?

I also bought GW:EN online (not so happy at first, then realised it was a good idea; my GW/Factions/NF boxed are nice but useless), got the BMP and now I'm ready to accept that other people will get access to it. But NOT for financial reasons, purely for game reasons because (though I only played a few minutes of the BMP) this should NOT be inaccessible to the general GW population.

It's added content that is trully inovative and fun. It feels like CB combined with good moments of the four "campaigns". I don't want to keep it to myself, and I'm sure Anet will release it publicly at one point (and given the speed with which GW population forget the fun they have, people /notsigning here should be ok).

Let's not keep the fun to ourselves, this would generate tensions in a game that still has a population not too bad. But as I said before, no free release (or may be in 1,5 year when GW2 will be closer?), maybe something like "when you pay more than $30, you can buy the BMP and the price is like $5", to "try" to be fair with those that paid (Anet did not coerced you into buying free slots or GW:EN).

I wonder whether mentioning the pre-release packs for the 4 campaigns would explain this better.

Sensible, I guess the retailer still gets something of a cut. But at least access would be fairer.

To idiots like you-

A promotion is for a LIMITED time. If you missed the date too bad, it doesn't mean ANet should make it available to everyone... that would defeat the purpose of a promotion to begin with. Now quit over missing it and just give up already. Anet would end up making all the people who did buy through the store for this angry.

/endrant-ish-ness

It's also completely incorrect in the long run. If they put it into the online store, people that wanted stuff like that would revert to brick and mortars to buy the other products (this mainly applies to GW2) because they also get the hard mats with it. How many people would not have bought 3 character slots or EotN digital had they known they could just buy the bonus pack and get EotN at their brick and mortar (maybe even discounted). In the end, ArenaNet would lose money buy offering it for sale online. They would lose the pure profit they make off of those that would buy the digital products that are also offered in the brick and mortars.

Barring CE's, if people know they can get bonus packs by buying new expansions/releases (major expansions/releases) online, then maybe they will and forego the brick and mortar. This could easily bring in more profit that the people buying the bonus pack would bring in.

Assuming 4 million people

2 million GW2 digital copies (pure profit)
2 million GW2 brick and mortar copies (- retail cut/discounts)
2-4 million free minor bonus packs

is more money than
<2 million GW2 digital copies (pure profit)
>2 million GW2 brick and mortar copies (-retail cut/discounts)
<2-4 million paid-for digital minor bonus packs (pure profit)
^- probably quite a bit fewer bought than would be free

is more money than
<2 million GW2 digital copies (pure profit)
>2 million GW2 brick and mortar copies (-retail cut/discounts)
<2-4 million paid-for digital minor bonus packs (- retail cut/discounts)

the profit made off of the larger products will most likely be greater than the profits made off of the smaller products seeing as how they will not see more minor bonus packs sold that the total number of copies.

In otherwords, they know what they're doing in the business area.. :-)

Disclaimer: Oversimplified, lamen explanation using numbers out of my ass to make a point.

I take it you neglected to meet requirements set by the providing company for this promotion. I suppose your one of the ones that just figured, oh, ANET is going to change everything they are saying and actually offer it for poor me. I also assume you are one of those people that just think major companies are going to tailor everything around them. And to that end, I also assume you are one of those people that thinks ANET is going to go back on their original statements just to satisfy all the people in the US that were either...

A). Lazy
B). Stupid
C). Naive
D). Uninformed
E). Careless
F). Over expecting.
G). Absolutely unable to acquire a means to meet the requirements. (to these people, I am truly sorry or your too young to be playing Guild Wars)

Gee, I sure wish people understood modern business practices and corporate kickbacks. QFT.

I can get a credit card, but it will be only used in GW store exclusively, I don't need it for anything else.

I buy everything online (everything is available in my currency) with transactions bank to bank, GW store doesn't support it. And not online with cash, check and (my currency) debit card, like I already posted above.

So, my option for get BMP was to get a credit card and "activate" dollar currency in it, exclusively for GW store. So, was a LOT easier to just buy the boxed version of game.

I didn't bought three character slots, I was talking in general, most people did so. I bought GWEN in the ingame store for the promotion.
You did have plenty time...and I do understand some people could'nt buy online, but three months is a lot of time to make arrangements for that matter.

And don't you think that if the BMP goes for sale, it would affect game economy? Elite weapons would lose some of it's value, since most BMP weapons have great skins. On the other you would have inscriptions and mods raising up to ridiculous prices.

BMP going for sale would raise more complaints, petitions, whining, whatnot, than if it just stays this way. Those who were in time for the promotion will complain they spent money for nothing by purcharsing 3 slots, that they had prefered buying the retail box of GWEN, that the game economy will be affected (in a way that I believe A-Net doesn't want it to (Price of Weapons < Price of Mods, Inscriptions).

I do agree though, in a new promotion exactly the same as the first BMP one.

Wow... just wow. Of course all the people who've /notsigned have not said that they sympathise with the lack of payment options, and some of them haven't said that a re-issue of the promotion with better payment options would be a good idea. Because they're all assholes who'd never post that !

Oh... wait..

Guess it's easier to fling insults than actually read and/or debate.

You really need to start a thread devoted to NON US players who want the BMP. I do feel for Euro players, having been to Germany several times for extended stays. That would tread water better then all these US twits who, for reasons I have already stated, and sad now.

But does it mean that they shouldn't? (see next reply)

The promotion gives access earlier, thus for example enabling you to sell the weapons at high price. Commercially it makes no sense at all to not sell the BMP after it was given as a promotion, especially if it's a success. (then people would regret not having bought it during the promotion, but that seems fair doesn't it?)

... You can't sell/trade the BMP weapons.

No, it does make sense. Either they have to take back their original statements, which means they would have to explain it to investors. Secondly, how much do they sell it for? Need I remind you of Riverside with a 29USD price tag?

boom.

Anet would end up making all the people who did buy through the store for this angry.[/QUOTE]
This is a promotion:

http://www.guildwars.com/products/ex...ks/default.php

You know the full price, you know what you buy, and you know that only for a limited time you get a 50% discount. After that, you know you can buy whenever you want, after one month or one year, and what is the price you will have to pay.


This is the point.
Can you or someone else explain how this would damage you and others who already have? You got it for free, others must pay, so you already had your advantage.

/signed


people had 4 months notice about BMP

people had 3 months notice that they could use the PlayNC store and PaySafe

there is little excuse that people could have not bought GWEN through
PlayNC if they didnt have a credit card (ie PaySafe)



but beyond all that,
it was still planned poorly for payment options

Paysafe should have also been an option through GW Store for more flexibility

So you mean /notsigned? or /signed?

Right, well you can show off, brat, and "be the first" (it seems people care about that, I don't).

No idea what Riverside is. And what original statement are talking about? On the EU GW website, here is the original announcement:
http://eu.guildwars.com/news/article...ack_promotion/
which leads there:
http://eu.guildwars.com/support/article/missionpack/
which doesn't seem to limit the BMP to not be released later.

Riverside is where this thread and many other troll/flame/complaint threads can be found. It is the place of many hours of fun. Look at forum locale names.


Again, I do not speak for the Euro players, nor will I try. SO leave EU out of this please.

Still reading and responding I see? The retardation caused by others is not enough for you, or do you feel the neeed to spew out more vomit?

What was ANET's original statement?

"For a limited time, when you spend $29 USD (€26/£17) or more in the Guild Wars In-Game Store or through the PlayNC Store, you will get a Guild Wars Bonus Mission Pack for free!"

See theres more than one definition of the word "limited" - it depends on the context. I will give you an example: if a promotion is limited - it could either be;

a) limited for a certain time period
b) limited number of the promotion item

This however, does not entail that the promotion cannot be made available again. Nor does it imply that a promotion regarding the same item cannot be made in a different way. The limited time of course for the bonus pack was the four month period, does this mean that it won't be available ever again? One would think otherwise.

Its no different from supermarkets that give out coupons (that is their promotion) for a limited time customers can redeem the coupon and gain a benifit from purchasing x,y,z product. This does not mean that the promotion is never run again, stores often repeat the promotion for the same product.

From what I can tell, the naysayers are mostly holding onto an elitist idea - "we have it you don't so we are better than you, stop trying to get it because you can't, and I don't want to hear you voicing your opinion about it either".

You seem to think "promotion" means "exclusive". Products involved in promotions are not automatically bound to never be sold again. Anyone who participated, expecting (without any statement to the fact) that the pack would never be available again, really is an idiot.

Oh and your last line is incorrect. I know for a fact that they won't make *all* those who bought from the store angry.

I mean signed (as stated)

PlayNC lets you buy GWEN but not extra char slots or PVP packs


Guild Wars store needs to also support PaySafe (like PlayNC)

exactly
at the store i work in we still offer the merchadise after promotion but at a higher price
and some merchandise is almost always in a promotion because it's not selling as much as other things

can you all just let people play and enjoy the new content
it's not just a cosmetic add like divine aura
i would even compare it to sorrow's furnace
i think such limitation will only ruin the faith in anet even more

as for those who could get cc but didn't because they would use it one time only i think they're right
sellers always work on how to create easy ways for people to purchase
and forcing them to get cc just to buy what they want is not convenient
for example you want to buy a certain cell phone model
there are 2 stores in front of you
one currently has that model the other one doesn't but can provide it within a week
would you rather go and buy it immediately or wait for a week
of course you'll buy it from the other store immediately because it's more convenient for you that way
customer over all after all..i think you get the point
but the way they promoted the item as whole is a total fail and it rages both sides
and the fact that you didn't know exactly what you are getting is even worse

/not signed

I spent the required amount.

And if they decide to make this buy-able later it better cost you guys $29.95.

Really now who's the real idiot here? The ones of us who have the bonus mission pak or the likes of you who doesn't and is whinning for every kind of way to make it possible to get it now that you know what's inside the package. Hardy har har you don't get it nana nana boo boo. Ain't gonna be no extra promotion as you notice Anet doesn't do that or else why aren't there copies of Prophecies Special Collectors editons still for sale in their store huh? Seems to me it'd be pretty easy to sell them since the own the rights to the product. But, they ain't cause they just don't do that to their customers. This promotion was a special special and all you had to do was buy from them in their store and don't give us any of that crap you couldn't get this or your couldn't get that you had 3 months to get what you needed crook rook or steal and yah didn't do it so you're SOL bud pure D SOL. hahahahaha

Just give us 1 month to buy the BMP for 10$ at the in-store (Get your credit asap), and most of the problems and flaming will be solved.

its a real shame we cant get some response from gaile on this..
because this discussion is going no where..
maybe a definitive answer either way would be nice..then we can all move on and enjoy the game.

I am already enjoying my BMP. *Rubs it in US players who don't have it faces*

I kid!

agreed...i am loving it too..they have done a nice job..and was well worth the wait.

Holy crap you guys are still going on about this xD

But i agree i am loving the BMP. Anet really outdone themselves there.

OFF TOPIC:
Does anyone else agree anet didnt make this themselves :P

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haha That crack has really messed up your brain. It should be no less than $30 if they even were to think about a 2nd promotion and really should be $40 for all those that missed out and waited cause they thought it wasn't going to have much or be much. So that's the only way they could re-release it right now is to have it cost more than it cost me an everyone else who paid the promotional price to begin with. But, I really don't think they are going to re-release it again. They haven't any other promotions so I don't see why they would start now. If/When you can't even get a copy of the Special Editon Collectors copy of Prophecies I don't see why you should get this either. <dances around computer chair> Oh an to that person that called me a 5 year old, just remember pal when you point a finger at someone you have 3 more point back at you and making derogative remarks about someone is even more immature and 5 year oldish than them merely being happy they got the product and you didn't. Enjoy your kindergarten.

And the beat goes on...

I don't see what's so difficult about this. I mean, those who got it, got it by playing by the rules of the "game" that Anet set forth. Those who don'r have it really fall into two camps, one which had no easy means to spend the required amount, and the other which chose not to.

Whether or not the 30 quid you chose to spend/might have spent is "useful" to you is irrelevant to the promotion. The promotion rules never stated, "Spend 29.95 useful to you dollars." I'm sorry that some of you chose not to "waste" thirty bucks for this, but that was, indeed, a choice you made based on your perceived value of your potential purchases. I know, as far as I'm concerned, that three more mule - er, character - slots would never go to waste, but that's how I perceive the value of those slots.

This whole discussion has turned into a brouhaha over something so trivially insignificant that we've seen many otherwise respectable, good people resort to name-calling and flames. That's a shame, but I think we would all agree, not a surprise.

To those who were unable to find an easy way to purchase the things they could have to qualify for the BMP, you have my sincere sympathies. Its unbearably frustrating to see what you have to do, only to be blocked by no means to do it.

To those who chose not to spend the money in the online store, <shrug>. You live, you learn.

Will the BMP eventually be available to everyone? Maybe, maybe not. I could care less about that either way. Is it kind of cool to have something that other players don't? Hell yeah. Once upon a time, that was the whole attraction of FoW armour, was it not? High level /rank emotes, too? We've seen how those have devalued over time; perhaps the same will occur with the BMP. In fact, I'd say it's rather likely.

I don't know how this is going to turn out. The promotion worked very well for me; the GW store has never given me a lick of trouble. I'm very fortunate in that regard; I understand that is not the case for many other people.

My idea to fix this is simple: By checking its database for product keys added to accounts within the time frame alloted for the promotion, the Powers-That-Be could, (reasonably, I think) determine whether or not someone purchased enough dollars worth of product to tbe eligible for the BMP. If so, access to the BMP is then granted. I imagine it would take some programming work to query the account database, but I'm not a programmer, so I don't know for sure if it's even feasible. But it is an idea.

I hope those who have the BMP appreicate it, and I hope that those who don't may have an opportunity in the future to participate. It really is a neat diversion.

[QUOTE]and that is where you are wrong so think again.

not what Gaile says but the official site details from day 1.

no hedging like the usual as this leaves no wiggle room at all.

READ IT CAREFULLY.

ONLY THE EXACT ACCOUNT THAT DOES THE PROMOTION.............PERIOD......not room fro qualifing after the event.

I don't have a problem with them re-releasing it sometime later, but, it had better cost at least $30 and $40 would be more reasonable in my book <dances around computer chair>

I did and still do however strongly believe that past purchases in the online store should have counted towards the BMP. Or even if it was made available in retail somehow for those that genuinly cant use the online store, like maybe if you bought the pre-order bonus for GWEN you would get acess to the BMP.

Actually thats how they should have done it. To get the BMP you should have needed to buy the pre-order pack. But its done now, so for those that dont have it and genuinely couldnt use the online store, and rofflecopta for those of you that didnt buy it cause you thought it would suck.

Actually, I would be for selling the BMP now for those of you that missed out on getting it, >>>>>IF<<<<< I can also buy the divine auras I missed from the Prophecies CE.

I pretty much missed proph CE and the first GW halloween

[QUOTE=Loviatar]No one is contesting the above. As per the statement, only those who have fulfilled the requirements for the promotion have the bonus pack unlocked, those that did not, have not.

I think you should have read it thoroughly before asking someone else to.

I don't think you understand the definition of the word "promotion" or even understand what the promotion itself was. The closest they came to promising that the BMP would itself be limited is a line in the fine print, "The Bonus Pack will only be available to the exact account that fulfills this promotion in the in-game store or the exact account on which a qualifying Guild Wars product is activated that has been purchased in the PlayNC store." However, considering the context of that particular sentence, it is reasonably clear that it's not meant to confer exclusivisity of the content, but rather that you can only obtain the free BMP on the same account you used to buy the in-game store content.

The promotion itself was simply, "For a limited time, when you spend $29 USD (€26/£17) or more in the Guild Wars In-Game Store or through the PlayNC Store, you will get a Guild Wars Bonus Mission Pack for free!". That's it. You get the BMP for free by spending $29 in the in-game store, full stop. No promise that it would never be available elsewhere for free or otherwise, no promise that it would be your precious to gloat over for all time, just a simple you can get it for free if you spend $29 in the store.

Again, I really don't understand this attitude. The only people who possibly deserve name calling are those who were so reading comprehension challenged as to read the promotion as conferring exclusive content and then spent $29 not towards a chapter/expansion they would have bought anyhow, but on slots/skill packs they didn't need because they decided on their own accord that something being offered for free was actually worth $29. They're the ones who have issues, they're the ones with poor decision making skills: they assigned an arbitrary value of $29 to an item available for free as part of a limited promotion with no guarantee that said item wouldn't be available after it's launch for $5 or $10 as a separate purchase and are acting like they're entitled to be applauded for their poor judgment

Yes, do read it carefully, and read it in the context of the surrounding find print. All it is saying is that you can't buy something on Uncle Wiggly's account who does need to purchase Nightfall and get it for free on your account. That's it. The imagined promise of permanent exclusivity is just that, imagined.

I could not have said it so eloquently, but thats exactly what I was trying to get across to people. As is the case however, the height of ignorance shown by many surprises me.

But Gaile made comments afterwards about this promotion and statings of "why would we do such a thing after doing this?" you'll just have to lookup gaile posts to find it. She pretty much put the nail on the head that this was a "one time thing get it now or never get it".

This is what gets me about some of you guys, you don't read, you just assume. All this dribble is based entirely on your own nasty little view of the world.

To pick up your "point" - they can't put the CE's in their store, most of what made them CE's were physical items (big box, glossy art books, mouse mats, etc). They could only add the auras/mini-pets, which would breach what they did actually say about *those* items being exclusive to the CE's.

This pack is more like the bonus weapon pack used to sell the re-release of Prophecies - of course, they could never put that in the store, could they?

Last laugh - I have the pack.