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Traveller

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Finland

League of Extraordinary Explorers [LOST] (my one man guild)

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01 Dec 2007 at 20:21 - 881

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Originally Posted by CHunterX

Where isn't Paypal accessible? China perhaps... but I'd like some countries names, please.

Why the hell should I suffer a loss for qualifying for a promotion? Fail logic is fail.

I still don't see what you would lose should BMP be sold in the online store. Prestige?

Str0b0

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Carolina

N/Me

01 Dec 2007 at 20:22 - 882

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Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind

Go back and read some of those topics, I know many people were unable to purchase anything from the story. But I myself am not one of them, and personally never paid much attention to those topics.

You may want to go back and read yourself. I think one of the primary countries complaining about it was the Netherlands where they use a pin based system. The company that manages that system, Pinpas, actually offers their customers pre paid debit cards. Not only that but a pre paid master card can be purchased from Paypal. not to mention the fact that people in Europe without access to debit or credit cards were offered a Paysafe alternative on the PlayNC store that is available in every country and was announced on the website. Once again those are baseless whines where people think that Arena Net should make up for their mistake. Thanks for playing the specious argument game better luck next time.

As for the player saying he qualified but did not get it. A) he offers no corroborating evidence. I could say that I qualified on my other account, I didn't, and cry about it here all day long but that doesn't make it so. B) Gaile stated in her response to this thread that if that is the case he should contact support and they would make it right as they are obligated to do. I might also point out that he said he would contact support and since then he has offered no evidence that they did not honor their promotion on his part. Again you fail.

CHunterX

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Washington

W/E

01 Dec 2007 at 20:23 - 883

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Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind

So you agree with me. You're suffering because other people would be able to enjoy your content? As has been pointed out, Gaile has made it clear that it's undecided weather this content would eventually be released in some other way. I chose to wait. You didn't. As I pointed out earlier, I'm not overly fussed if I get this content or not, but it would be nice. And I don't see why those of us who didn't get it first, should completely miss out.

Sigh. No. I would be suffering because I followed a promotion that specifically said that there was one, single, uno way to qualify for it. You, on the other hand, chose to ignore the promotion. And now you want Areanet to cater to you after you ignored their promotion willingly. Wheres the logic in that?

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Originally Posted by Traveller

I still don't see what you would lose should BMP be sold in the online store. Prestige?

THE RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOING BOX, DISCS, AND MANUAL. I CAN'T MAKE IT ANYMORE CLEARER THAN THIS. READ ANY OF MY SUGGESTIONS.

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Originally Posted by CHunterX

If Areanet sends me a Box and discs, free of charge for buying EotN from the in-game store because I only bought it their under the premise that doing so would be the only way to access the BMP, then I would /sign this thread. But they won't, because it costs money. I took the risk by giving up a box, discs, and instructions. Technically, I spent more money than you on the same product.

WinterSnowblind

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

01 Dec 2007 at 20:24 - 884

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

You may want to go back and read yourself. I think one of the primary countries complaining about it was the Netherlands where they use a pin based system. The company that manages that system, Pinpas, actually offers their customers pre paid debit cards. Not only that but a pre paid master card can be purchased from Paypal. not to mention the fact that people in Europe without access to debit or credit cards were offered a Paysafe alternative on the PlayNC store that is available in every country and was announced on the website. Once again those are baseless whines where people think that Arena Net should make up for their mistake. Thanks for playing the specious argument game better luck next time.

Thanks for ignoring the majority of my argument, and instead focusing on a small point I -admittedly mistakingly - made on the side.

WinterSnowblind

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

01 Dec 2007 at 20:27 - 885

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Originally Posted by CHunterX

Sigh. No. I would be suffering because I followed a promotion that specifically said that there was one, single, uno way to qualify for it. You, on the other hand, chose to ignore the promotion. And now you want Areanet to cater to you after you ignored their promotion willingly. Wheres the logic in that?

I ignored it for valid reasons, and I have no regrets with that. I wasn't going to waste money on something that could have been crappy, considering how little information they gave us. You're enjoying it now because of your gamble. Kudos. But again, I don't see why the rest of us should miss out entirely.

"It is unsure if the Bonus Mission Pack will be available in the official store, no fixed decision made yet."

To me. It didn't seem like it would be my only opportunity.

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

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01 Dec 2007 at 20:28 - 886

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Originally Posted by CHunterX

THE RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOING BOX, DISCS, AND MANUAL. I CAN'T MAKE IT ANYMORE CLEARER THAN THIS. READ ANY OF MY SUGGESTIONS.

Let me just point something out to you. The flipping store version:

1) HAS NO MANUAL
2) IS ONLY A PAPER THIN CASE (not even a box)
3)THE DISC ISN'T EVEN NEEDED TO PLAY GW

So i don't see how that is a reason to not allow us the opportunity to buy the BMP. It's so amazing how you can cry so badly over an item you haven't even seen first hand!!! Do you want me to dam well take photo's of the outstanding box, amazing "bonus key booklet" (manual in your case) just to drill that FACT into you!?

P.S. I also notice you keep saying discS <-- plural. There is no plural about it. 1 disc, that isn't even needed to play the game.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

01 Dec 2007 at 20:28 - 887

can we start a petition to /close this thread and use this one instead?

gogo no weapons for the guys who didnt promo it

WinterSnowblind

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

01 Dec 2007 at 20:29 - 888

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

can we start a petition to /close this thread and use this one instead?

/notsigned.

It just proves my point more than anything else.

You don't care if other people can access the same content, for FREE, but it's completely unacceptable if they pay and get the weapon skins?

Str0b0

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Carolina

N/Me

01 Dec 2007 at 20:31 - 889

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Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind

Thanks for ignoring the majority of my argument, and instead focusing on a small point I -admittedly mistakingly - made on the side.

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Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind

And again, I don't see why it's such a big deal. Many people didn't want to bother getting the bonus mission pack, because they did a poor job explaining what we would be getting.

I see so they never said you would be getting access to four playable missions and rewards? Suspense is good marketing.They have professionals who have degrees in marketing and decide on how best to promote an item. It worked for me. I bought it. In fact I went out of my way to buy it.

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Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind

Yes, you can throw out the argument "your loss", but I was unwilling to buy three worthless character slots for content that could have very likely been bad.

No but you made a decision to not purchase it. again Arena Net is not obligated to make up for your bad decision. That was the bulk of the rest of your argument and it is still boils down to " I made a bad choice and now I want someone else to make it up to me rather than take responsibility for my bad choice." If they do so it would set a bad precedent for them and they would then be obligated by that precedent to make up for all kinds of bad purchasing decisions. QQ more plz

Kyp Jade

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2006

USA

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01 Dec 2007 at 20:32 - 890

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Originally Posted by Traveller

I still don't see what you would lose should BMP be sold in the online store. Prestige?

Just the same thing that people who bought the collectors editions would lose should CE upgrades. The BMP is basically the same thing as a CE, nice emotes or skins, no more. Your not hurt without the BMP, and its just Anets way of saying Thank you for taking a risk for us. (I'd also venture the BMP was a slightly larger risk for some that bought the CE since you could get the CE from a store, but the BMP only from the online store, which is putting your info out with some company)

So yes, the loss is in prestige, and I wouldnt mind losing it if the BMP was offered at $30 (my risk should be worth something) AND since were already selling in game goods in the online store, put the CE upgrade in the store as well.

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selling in game goods

Oh wait, I caught myself on this one, so everyone is whining that they put in game goods in the online store now? GG lol

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

01 Dec 2007 at 20:32 - 891

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Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind

You don't care if other people can access the same content, for FREE, but it's completely unacceptable if they pay and get the weapon skins?

isn't the BMP technically collectors edition new content?
add a payment wouldnt bother - just leave the weapons to those that got the BMP in the promotion limit.

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

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01 Dec 2007 at 20:35 - 892

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Originally Posted by Kyp Jade

J The BMP is basically the same thing as a CE, nice emotes or skins, no more.

I lol'ed. I think you kinda overlooked the DAM NEW MISSIONS, LORE, CINEMATICS ETC! You blatantly overlooked them because it's not important to you. You can parade your tengu bow around, so nothing else matters.

I suggest you come back to this thread when you have the slightest clue WTF the BMP offers.

CHunterX

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Washington

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01 Dec 2007 at 20:36 - 893

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Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind

I ignored it for valid reasons, and I have no regrets with that.

Thread over for you then. Wanting the BMP after you ignored the promotion = a regret.

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

So i don't see how that is a reason to not allow us the opportunity to buy the BMP. It's so amazing how you can cry so badly over an item you haven't even seen first hand!!!

So I don't see how that is a reason you want another opportunity to buy the BMP. And I have seen the booklet, I specifically went to Gamestop, asked the cashier to see the contents of the box, then purchased the game online.
I didn't know about it != an excuse
I don't have a debit/credit card != an excuse
I waited because I didn't know what all would be included != an excuse
I wanted to buy it on sale != an excuse
Give me a valid excuse.

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Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind

I'm just asking for an alternative way to gain access to the content now that we know what it is. It that really so upsetting to you guys?

If you can't figure it out after you say things like this, then no one here can help you understand. I'm sorry.

FengShuiDove

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2007

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01 Dec 2007 at 20:36 - 894

/notsigned

Plenty of notice and clear understanding of the product was offered. There's no reason it SHOULD be reopened other than sympathy for the people that, as an afterthought, realized that, "Oh crap, I should have done this during the months that they gave us!"

~ Dan ~

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Join Date: Dec 2006

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01 Dec 2007 at 20:37 - 895

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Originally Posted by CHunterX

Thread over for you then. Wanting the BMP after you ignored the promotion = a regret.

So I don't see how that is a reason you want another opportunity to buy the BMP. And I have seen the booklet, I specifically went to Gamestop, asked the cashier to see the contents of the box, then purchased the game online.
I didn't know about it != an excuse
I don't have a debit/credit card != an excuse
I waited because I didn't know what all would be included != an excuse
I wanted to buy it on sale != an excuse
Give me a valid excuse.

They are valid. Even more so to some idiot who thinks he missed out on a BOX, MANUAL and ESSENTIALLY NEEDED DISC, who presents them as his valid reason to deny us the BMP. Astounding!

WinterSnowblind

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

01 Dec 2007 at 20:38 - 896

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

I see so they never said you would be getting access to four playable missions and rewards? Suspense is good marketing.They have professionals who have degrees in marketing and decide on how best to promote an item. It worked for me. I bought it. In fact I went out of my way to buy it.

No but you made a decision to not purchase it. again Arena Net is not obligated to make up for your bad decision. That was the bulk of the rest of your argument and it is still boils down to " I made a bad choice and now I want someone else to make it up to me rather than take responsibility for my bad choice." QQ more plz

That wasn't enough information for me, especially considering the quality of the content they had up to that point. Again, you made a big gamble, and it paid off. But as far as I can see, they have never said this will absolutely, definitely be the only way ever to get this pack. And in fact, there are already many quotes of in this topic of the developers saying the exact opposite. It's more like, maybe/possibly be released later.

I'm not asking for someone else to take responsibility, and I don't believe my choices were bad. I'm just asking for an alternative way to gain access to the content now that we know what it is. It that really so upsetting to you guys? Your posts are very hypocritical, switch things around and look at it the opposite way. If they do eventually release it to the rest us, it's you guys whining about your bad choices.

This is really pointless discussion. It's their content, they can do what they want with it. I'm not overly fussed about missing out, and agreed, it's my own fault for missing it to begin with. But equally, if they do releases it, then that shouldn't bother you. They made no promises about it being absolutely exclusive, and have no obligations to keep it that way.

Edit: Sorry about the earlier post, had connection problems

WinterSnowblind

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

01 Dec 2007 at 20:43 - 897

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Originally Posted by CHunterX

Thread over for you then. Wanting the BMP after you ignored the promotion = a regret.

In the same way you'd regret missing out on the boxed version, buy getting the BMP if it's released in the store later.
I miss out now, or you miss out later. We're basically arguing the same thing.

Str0b0

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Carolina

N/Me

01 Dec 2007 at 20:43 - 898

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Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind

That wasn't enough information for me, especially considering the quality of the content they had up to that point. Again, you made a big gamble, and it paid off. But as far as I can see, they have never said this will absolutely, definitely be the only way ever to get this pack. And in fact, there are already many quotes of in this topic of the developers saying the exact opposite. It's more like, maybe/possibly be released later.

I'm not asking for someone else to take responsibility, and I don't believe my choices were bad. I'm just asking for an alternative way to gain access to the content now that we know what it is. It that really so upsetting to you guys?

No that's exactly what you're asking. You made a choice now you don't want to live with it so you want momma ANet to make it all better for you. It should be exclusive to the people that fullfilled the original agreement because we did what was necessary. Even Gaile, who admittedly has no control over the marketing decisions has said that it would be unfair and wrong to re-release it. Admittedly it doesn't "hurt" me in any way for it to be released but I suppose I stand on a certain principle in life. I believe that fair is fair and that once a decision is made then that decision should be lived with and the person who made it should take the responsibility for it. the very thought of them giving in to the whiners on here and offering the BMP again to soothe all these poor butt-hurt people who made a bad call is abhorrent. It violates the very standards of fairness and accountability that people with any level of emotional maturity should hold dear.

CHunterX

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Washington

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01 Dec 2007 at 20:45 - 899

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

They are valid. Even more so to some idiot who thinks he missed out on a BOX, MANUAL and ESSENTIALLY NEEDED DISC.

Stop throwing around names. Explain how they are valid.
1. I didn't know about it: Impossible. If you logged in once between July and October, you knew. NOT AN EXCUSE
2. I don't have a debit card: Paypal debit cards. NOT AN EXCUSE
3. I waited to see the contents: You chose to wait after the promotion said this would be the only way to get it. NOT AN EXCUSE
4. I wanted to buy it on sale: Stupidest reason ever. You purposely waited for it to be on sale, knowing full well that if it were to be in the in-game store, it would end up costing you more money. NOT AN EXCUSE
Please, make those into valid excuses. And stop calling people names, child.

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Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind

In the same way you'd regret missing out on the boxed version, buy getting the BMP if it's released in the store later.
I miss out now, or you miss out later. We're basically arguing the same thing.

Its not the same thing. Honestly. And how is you getting the BMP magically more important than me getting my box, which, technically, I paid for. Like Str0b0 said, you made your decision, now you want others to fix it for you.

~ Dan ~

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2006

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01 Dec 2007 at 20:46 - 900

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Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind

In the same way you'd regret missing out on the boxed version, buy getting the BMP if it's released in the store later.
I miss out now, or you miss out later. We're basically arguing the same thing.

Nah not really. Because the new content of the BMP is more than some dam 2mm thick case. But they're not "missing out" because they have the BMP.

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Originally Posted by CHunterX

1. I didn't know about it: Impossible. If you logged in once between July and October, you knew. NOT AN EXCUSE

It's easy to overlook. Plus given the small announcement screen i doubt it would've said "buy GW:EN from the online store and qualify for new ONE-TIME content!" (which they never said would be available only once, either).

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2. I don't have a debit card: Paypal debit cards. NOT AN EXCUSE

I never knew this paypal debit card stuff existed. That is an excuse. Just because you did know about it, stop being so pig ignorant and blind that everyone else must've known and therefore could've bought one.

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3. I waited to see the contents: You chose to wait after the promotion said this would be the only way to get it. NOT AN EXCUSE

But it didn't say this would be the only ever way for the rest of your GW gaming time...

But see, the thing is.. someone who thinks valid = he missed out on items that he wrongly describes (a.k.a you couldn't describe to me what was actually on sale in the shops, and that infact it was alot less than you thought), we will never agree on this.

So shove the word valid up your ass, there's my "excuses" (what i call, reasons).

WinterSnowblind

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

01 Dec 2007 at 20:48 - 901

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

No that's exactly what you're asking. You made a choice now you don't want to live with it so you want momma ANet to make it all better for you. It should be exclusive to the people that fullfilled the original agreement because we did what was necessary. Even Gaile, who admittedly has no control over the marketing decisions has said that it would be unfair and wrong to re-release it.

Are you 12 years old? I have never once suggested anything even remotely like that. I've pointed out, since the beginning, that I care little either way. My simple point being that there's no reason everyone shouldn't be able to enjoy the content - eventually. Guild Wars needs that.

On the other hand, you seem to be getting pretty worked up over the possibility of others enjoying your content. Go back and read through these points, which of us sounds like a child? Seems to me, like you're the one crying to "momma" about other people maybe getting a chance to play with your "toys".

Also, I'd like to see these quotes. Last I saw, she was a firm believer that everyone should be able to enjoy the content.

CHunterX

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Washington

W/E

01 Dec 2007 at 20:56 - 902

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Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind

Are you 12 years old? I have never once suggested anything even remotely like that. I've pointed out, since the beginning, that I care little either way. My simple point being that there's no reason everyone shouldn't be able to enjoy the content - eventually. Guild Wars needs that.

I'll clarify it for Str0b0 then.
1. People made the choice not to buy EotN or character slots in the in-game store, knowing full well that they would not have access to the BMP. With me so far?
2. The BMP gets released, and the same people realize, "Hey, I want that!"
(This is what you call not wanting to live with your "mistake." They made the "mistake" of not originally qualifying for the BMP. With me so far?)
3. Now, these people want the BMP, and the only way that would be possible is if Areanet fixed the players' mistakes of not getting the BMP when it was promoted by allowing it to be purchased. Got it?
Now, see Str0b0s original quote:

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

No that's exactly what you're asking. You made a choice now you don't want to live with it so you want momma ANet to make it all better for you.

Make sense now?

WinterSnowblind

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

01 Dec 2007 at 20:57 - 903

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Originally Posted by CHunterX

And how is you getting the BMP magically more important than me getting my box, which, technically, I paid for. Like Str0b0 said, you made your decision, now you want others to fix it for you.

You decided to miss out on getting the box, so you could get the content. I wasn't willing to do that when I could get the game and box for cheaper from a store. Why is you missing out on a box more important than me missing out on brand new ingame content, that I'm perfectly willing to pay for?

You missed out on a small box, and a disc. Doesn't seem like such a big deal. Yes, I made the "mistake" by not getting the content when I could have, because I didn't want it, and was and am fairly sure it'll be released in an alternative way. In which case, it wasn't my mistake, but yours for rushing in and buying it right away. Do you understand?

Kyp Jade

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2006

USA

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01 Dec 2007 at 21:00 - 904

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

I lol'ed. I think you kinda overlooked the DAM NEW MISSIONS, LORE, CINEMATICS ETC! You blatantly overlooked them because it's not important to you. You can parade your tengu bow around, so nothing else matters.

I suggest you come back to this thread when you have the slightest clue WTF the BMP offers.

Are you going to continue attacking everyone in this thread that posts something conflicting to your views? The missions are the result of a few dozen man hours of putting together im guessing, and then the weapon skins the same, they did not need to spend very much at all developing the BMP, which is why its called bonus, and you can hardly call it new content because of how short it is. You just want the weapon skins plain and simple.

Don't even begin to argue that there was no way to pay for this, there was months this promotion was offered, its not like "Buy gwen on THIS day from the Online store and you can get this" where even people with easy means of using the online store would have been rushed. No, Anet made this promotion offered to anyone with $30 because you could have gotten a buddy to pay for it for you and you coulda paid him back for it.

So, because a small portion of the playerbase decides to take the risk of using the online store from Anet, especially considering how bad Anets public view was with a LOT of the playerbase at the time (at least the pvp playerbase) and you decide you couldnt be asked to hand Anet a few extra dollars because you wanted a box and a manual with pretty pictures on them which cost those few extra dollars you could have given to Anet, you are gripping that you want a means to access the BMP. They even practically said please use online store (few month spam), and now they are saying thank you (BMP)

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Originally Posted by CHunterX

I'll clarify it for Str0b0 then.
1. People made the choice not to buy EotN or character slots in the in-game store, knowing full well that they would not have access to the BMP. With me so far?
2. The BMP gets released, and the same people realize, "Hey, I want that!"
(This is what you call a "mistake." They made the mistake of not originally qualifying for the BMP. With me so far?)
3. Now, these people want the BMP, and the only way that would be possible is if Areanet fixed the players' mistakes of not getting the BMP when it was promoted by allowing it to be purchased. Got it?
Now, see Str0b0s original quote:
Make sense now?

You win thread

Ugoff The Unholy

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2007

01 Dec 2007 at 21:01 - 905

I see nothing wrong with them offering the BMP again with the same qualifications.

That would be 100% fair, in my opinion. Everyone would have paid the same amount for it, etc., etc.

I can see why people (read: owners of the BMP) don't want it to be separate, and didn't say I agree/disagree with it. I'm just capable of understanding their side of the argument.

On a side note, I did not get the BMP and am now regretting it. Am I the first to actually ADMIT it?

I do have an "excuse", though, however invalid you might all judge it. I'm young and do not have a credit/debit card/whatever you need to buy from their online store. Nor do I have any intention to get one at my age (not that my parents would let me, for that matter). And I'm sure whoever has parents living in the stone age thinking eBay will steal your money, or a published video game can give you a VIRUS (not my case, but I know someone who is in that predicament XD), I'm sure you can understand.

</invalidpointlesstotallyfalseexcuse>

lord dragon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Sep 2007

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01 Dec 2007 at 21:03 - 906

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Originally Posted by fenix

Everyone is missing the point. If Anet sold this in the online shop, it would be FREE MONEY. They don't have to do ANYTHING, except collect free money. It's stupid NOT to put it up for sale...

Agreed. I have it already, but if the demand is there, sell it! Charge $50, charge $75, charge what you want, but make some money!!!!!

Sorry, but it will be a long time until anet makes real money from the games again. I just want to ensure it is around to deliver GW2. I may not buy it if it is like GWEN, but, I would at least like the option.

Charge an arm and a leg for it. Let the people who really want it pay for it. Make a fortune off of them. Let them buy copies for all thier accounts!

Just don't let it go cheap. Make sure it is a good revenue stream for a while.

CHunterX

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Washington

W/E

01 Dec 2007 at 21:05 - 907

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Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind

You decided to miss out on getting the box, so you could get the content.

You decided to miss out on content, so you could get the box. But you want to change your mind after seeing the content. The difference is, I don't. Theres your difference!
But, I don't see how it would be fair for you to change your mind, and not let everyone change their minds.

WinterSnowblind

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Feb 2007

01 Dec 2007 at 21:10 - 908

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Originally Posted by CHunterX

You decided to miss out on content, so you could get the box. But you want to change your mind after seeing the content. The difference is, I don't. Theres your difference!
But, I don't see how it would be fair for you to change your mind, and not let everyone change their minds.

But you see, I didn't change my mind, I've said this all along, and I stand by it. I think the promotion is stupid, it's a terrible idea, and they should simply release it in the ingame store And as has been very well proved by this topic, no matter what happens, a large group of people are going to end up unhappy. I said that back when they first announced the content, and that's still how I feel now. Giving the opportunity to go back and time and get the BMP, I would not take it, I feel I made the right choice by ignoring a silly promotion, for what could have been crappy content.

The only difference now, is that we know the content is good. And a decent way to obtain it, which what most of us wanted all along, would be fantastic. But if not, I am really not that bothered about it. It just means my interest in GW will die out quicker, and inevitably lessen my chances of buying any future content, games, etc.

I really have nothing else to say. All I was trying to say is that, come back in a few months, and if it turns out they do release the pack in the game stores, it'll be you guys whining about making bad choices, etc, etc.

CHunterX

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Washington

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01 Dec 2007 at 21:11 - 909

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Originally Posted by Ugoff The Unholy

That would be 100% fair, in my opinion. Everyone would have paid the same amount for it, etc., etc.

Wrong:

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Originally Posted by CHunterX

By having players buy EotN from the in-game store, Areanet saves on distribution costs (which include shipping, packaging, CDs) and the retail stores cut. This ends up being a rather decent chunk of change they "earned" by having players use the in-game store. Instead of giving the players the difference in a form of a discount (which is impossible, due to business negotiations), they kept it, as extra profit.

I paid more for less. Or, you could see it as I traded my box, disc, and booklet for content. But now people want both the box and content, but feel its fair to leave the people who paid for content first out in the cold. Guess what, its not.

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Originally Posted by WinterSnowblind

You missed out on a small box, and a disc. Doesn't seem like such a big deal.

If its not a "big deal," then why the hell didn't you buy it from the in-game store? If the box wasn't a big deal to you, why did you go with it?

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

01 Dec 2007 at 21:13 - 910

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

Nah not really. Because the new content of the BMP is more than some dam 2mm thick case. But they're not "missing out" because they have the BMP.

It's easy to overlook. Plus given the small announcement screen i doubt it would've said "buy GW:EN from the online store and qualify for new ONE-TIME content!" (which they never said would be available only once, either).

I never knew this paypal debit card stuff existed. That is an excuse. Just because you did know about it, stop being so pig ignorant and blind that everyone else must've known and therefore could've bought one.

But it didn't say this would be the only ever way for the rest of your GW gaming time...

But see, the thing is.. someone who thinks valid = he missed out on items that he wrongly describes (a.k.a you couldn't describe to me what was actually on sale in the shops, and that infact it was alot less than you thought), we will never agree on this.

So shove the word valid up your ass, there's my "excuses" (what i call, reasons).

so your not saying "anet why didnt you tell people about the ultimate decision?" ?
it isnt anyones fault for advertising this or that too late,except for anet.
if you are dissatisfied with the notices,take it to anet.
either way,it was basically..."Packaging or BMP?"
better put it this way "Ice Cream or Jelly?"
comparing with food is fun and tasty

anyway,now im feeling a lil more generous - /signed but only allowing the weapons to the guys who obtained the gift...DURING the offer
and if they also get the weapons,i want my packaging!
i mean this thread is sorta like a petition...to give CE bonuses to everyone.but this CE bonus has more than bargained for

Midnight Harmony

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

South East England

Everlasting Sacred Path [ESP]

E/Me

01 Dec 2007 at 21:20 - 911

I cannot believe this thread still has so much attention. For th elast time, let me break it down to the people who don't want the pack to be released (and already have it, so unblock your ears and open your eyes.

1. If, like me, you have all 4 games, the GOTY weapons pack, and have no need for any character slots at all, or PvP packs, WHAT (capitals for emphasis) reason does a player have to spend $30 in the store? Nothing. By spending $30 on junk you don't need, you are essentially paying for the pack, which defeats the purpose and makes absolutely no sense.

2. Quite a lot of players aren't 18 and don't have access to debit or credit cards (saying they can get them isn't a valid reason, some people genuinely cannot purchase online), so where is their option?

Those two reasons hands down are enough to warrant, if anything, the release of the four missions, however long or short, fun or boring they may be. Yes, a certain amount of whiners want the skins, but not me, I just want to enjoy something that should be available to evryone, no matter how many games they own. Now for all the haters please, please stop spewing shit about "having had enough time" or going "hahastfunoob" as it isn't necessary, and the above points are the two biggest reasons why it needs to be released. Why can't you understand that?

/Rant, now I'm off.

CHunterX

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Washington

W/E

01 Dec 2007 at 21:20 - 912

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

Nah not really. Because the new content of the BMP is more than some dam 2mm thick case. But they're not "missing out" because they have the BMP.

So its fair to give players who didn't get the promotion both the box and the content, but the players who qualified deserve only content? Countering your own argument.

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

It's easy to overlook. Plus given the small announcement screen i doubt it would've said "buy GW:EN from the online store and qualify for new ONE-TIME content!" (which they never said would be available only once, either).

No, it wasn't. Unless you login with your eyes closed. The ad took up 1/4th of the screen, which is pretty large.

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

I never knew this paypal debit card stuff existed. That is an excuse. Just because you did know about it, stop being so pig ignorant and blind that everyone else must've known and therefore could've bought one.

Now its Areanet's problem you didn't look into alternate ways to get a debit card, just like its their problem that you didn't see the gigantic ad. Classic. Also, name calling again, reported again.

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Originally Posted by dan-the-noob

So shove the word valid up your ass, there's my "excuses" (what i call, reasons).

Name calling again. Name calling isn't an argument.
You can say "I didn't say it was Areanets' problem" all you want, but once you start demanding they add new ways to access it, you make it their problem.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

01 Dec 2007 at 21:25 - 913

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Originally Posted by Midnight Harmony

1. If, like me, you have all 4 games, the GOTY weapons pack, and have no need for any character slots at all, or PvP packs, WHAT (capitals for emphasis) reason does a player have to spend $30 in the store? Nothing. By spending $30 on junk you don't need, you are essentially paying for the pack, which defeats the purpose and makes absolutely no sense.

why didnt you buy GW:EN online then? - mind you,if you were on some sorta break.
also the store lacks alot of goods anyway

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2. Quite a lot of players aren't 18 and don't have access to debit or credit cards (saying they can get them isn't a valid reason, some people genuinely cannot purchase online), so where is their option?

well im only 14 and i can get atleast the equivilant of one,except its a cash card - but it has no tax on it or whatever that extra payment is

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Those two reasons hands down are enough to warrant, if anything, the release of the four missions, however long or short, fun or boring they may be. Yes, a certain amount of whiners want the skins, but not me, I just want to enjoy what should be something available for all. Now for all the haters please, please stop spewing shit about "having had enough time" or going "hahastfunoob" as it isn't necessary, and the above points are the two biggest reasons why it needs to be released. Why can't you understand that?

/Rant, now I'm off.

if you only want this for the skins you dont deserve it - although there was an incredibly huge ammount of time

CHunterX

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Washington

W/E

01 Dec 2007 at 21:25 - 914

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Originally Posted by Midnight Harmony

1. If, like me, you have all 4 games

I'll stop you there. You chose to buy EotN outside of the in-game store. You knew the risk of not qualifying for the promotion.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Midnight Harmony

2. Quite a lot of players aren't 18 and don't have access to debit or credit cards (saying they can get them isn't a valid reason, some people genuinely cannot purchase online), so where is their option?

Kids (yes, they are children still if they are under 18, I don't mean this as an insult) have parents, who have debit cards. No one "can't purchase online," unless you lack an internet connection, which would make it impossible to even play Guild Wars.

Gin Cometh

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2007

UK

Me/Mo

01 Dec 2007 at 21:28 - 915

If i am not mistaken Guild Wars 'Eye of the North' is still available in the store.

I dont like how ANET/NCSOFT have to place those damn weapons in the main citys,its like they are rubbin it in that we have no access to the new content.Very bad move, i can see how GW2 is going to be ,pay online for upgrades just like Battlefield 2 addons were,EA lost a lot of players due to that & Guild Wars has also just lost a loyal customer.

signed/not signed
does not even matter any more.

CHunterX

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2005

Washington

W/E

01 Dec 2007 at 21:32 - 916

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gin Cometh

I dont like how ANET/NCSOFT have to place those damn weapons in the main citys,its like they are rubbin it in that we have no access to the new content.Very bad move, i can see how GW2 is going to be ,pay online for upgrades just like Battlefield 2 addons were,EA lost a lot of players due to that & Guild Wars has also just lost a loyal customer.

Congratulations! You figured out what Guild Wars 2 will consist of. Micro transactions! I don't mean this as an insult, its the reason I don't plan on buying Guild Wars 2 either. I'd rather just pay a monthly fee rather than have to pay real money for a new weapon every X amount of days they chose to release them. I don't disagree that this was a stupid way to advertise the in-game store, and that this is a stupid idea altogether, but people had four months to get their act together, and they didn't. Whats done is done.

(EA sucks ass anyway, lol)

Dev121

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2005

01 Dec 2007 at 21:34 - 917

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Originally Posted by CHunterX

You decided to miss out on content, so you could get the box. But you want to change your mind after seeing the content. The difference is, I don't. Theres your difference!
But, I don't see how it would be fair for you to change your mind, and not let everyone change their minds.

Rants been going on for ages, how thick are you? Super Moron Number 5000 Has Been Spotted.

GOOD GAME

Midnight Harmony

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

South East England

Everlasting Sacred Path [ESP]

E/Me

01 Dec 2007 at 21:35 - 918

Quote:

Originally Posted by CHunterX

I'll stop you there. You chose to buy EotN outside of the in-game store. You knew the risk of not qualifying for the promotion.

Kids (yes, they are children still if they are under 18, I don't mean this as an insult) have parents, who have debit cards. No one "can't purchase online," unless you lack an internet connection, which would make it impossible to even play Guild Wars.

I always buy boxed retail versions, and never buy games through online stores or via D2D. Besides, I pre-ordered it in my local GAME store and had the pre-order pack ages before the announcement of the pack. Some people still can't puchase online, and maybe it is due to their financial situation or maybe their parents are very strict. There's a whole range of different circumstances that apply to many many people.

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Originally Posted by tyla salanari

if you only want this for the skins you dont deserve it - although there was an incredibly huge ammount of time

You obviously just skimmed through my post, because if you actually read it, you would have seen that I said I didn't want it for the skins.

It doesn't matter, there are two sides to every coin, and no matter how hard we try to project our views, nobody will listen. If this is a sign of things to come, I for one won't be buying GW2. Gaile hasn't posted once on this whole topic, and I find that very bad indeed.

Tyla

Emo Goth Italics

Join Date: Sep 2006

01 Dec 2007 at 21:38 - 919

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Originally Posted by Midnight Harmony

You obviously just skimmed through my post, because if you actually read it, you would have seen that I said I didn't want it for the skins.

no...that was to anyone who wants it for the weapon skins.

grottoftl

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2006

01 Dec 2007 at 21:38 - 920

i think most of the posters who have the bmp and dont want anyone else to have them is because they wont feel "special" anymore

it seems everyone is forgetting that this is arenanet. you know they are going to offer this to everyone for purchase in the later months, probably in late 2008

i have the bmp already but i know i just got a head start in playing it before it is widely released for everyone to buy