Whats your view on Anet allowing level 10s now into GWEN?

But why should they be buffed to the equilivant of a lvl 20 character just to play GWEN?

In all honesty, I can stomach the sight of a lvl10 in GWEN, I can understand the idea that you should be able go anywhere you want ingame, for the full openness thing.

What really annoys me is Anet basically making lvl10 players instantly the equilivant of lvl20 in strength and power, as soon as they enter GWEN.

That completely removes the entire point of working your way up to being powerfull enough to be able to handle these tougher locations. The entire point of a pve game is to develop your character until their able to handle the next harder locations.

Now you just make a new char, get them to lvl10, get run to the Asura portal and bing your have maxed attributes. Then the knock on effect being that you are now able to leveled up remarkably fast by taking on high end creatures that would otherwise have slaughtered you if you didnt have your attributes maxed out.

Anet might aswell just remove the entire point of pve and allow you to make pvp characters in pvp, fully maxed out and ready to take on any level of difficulty.

If a person wants to enter GWEN at lvl10, then fine. But they should still be limited to their existing attribute levels, because they chose to enter a tougher location earlier then they should have.

There was a time when you chose to be run through (for instance) prophercies into tougher locations like southern shiverpeaks. You did knowing you wouldnt stand a chance against the creatures because you hadnt developed your character to be powerfull enough yet. But you wanted max armor and gear from later locations or you wanted to be power leveled.

But there was still an understanding you character could not survive without help, because they werent powerfull enough for that area.

Now thats been killed!

I'm not suggesting a players level is important, but you should be able to look at a players level and make a conclusion like "they wont survive in this location" or "they arent strong enough to be in my team yet" (obviously im talking a lvl10 compared to a lvl20, not a lvl18 compared to a lvl20).

A players level in pve doesnt make a player, but it exists for a reason! To give you something to work for and develop and give an understanding of whether you can take on a creature or not.

To just enter a location and go from being lvl10 with no max attributes, to lvl10 with max attributes without working for it goes against this idea of role playing and pve.

Enter the location at lvl10 if you wish, but you find it extremely hard to play if you make that choice. You shouldnt be given an unfair advantage you havent earnt.

How does this effect the agro range for creatures? We all know lower level characters attract more agro from creatures of a higher level then them, so how does maxing the attributes effect that?

Do the creatures see them as lvl20s? If you enter a lvl20+ area as a lvl10 you should be the main target for any creatures. But if that has been effected then its just stupid.

I dunno. There will be more people there, and though they may not all be experienced, it's an oppurtunity for anyone who wants to bring their other, lower level characters into EotN. True, it does sort of cheapen EotN, but I think it helps Guild Wars be more accessible.

Meh, I don't care one way or the other. There really isn't any point complaining about a game that has been beaten to a pulp by all sorts of complaints from just about every type of person. Some people treat Guild Wars the way other people treat policitcs...

Uch... Politics >.<

(from the other thread)

I'm ticked off a LOT at people who biatch at every tiny detail. What exactly is the problem of non lvl20's in GWEN? If you don't want to party with non lvl20 then DONT. If someone wants to play as non lvl20 then WHY WOULD YOU CARE?


It's absolutely disgusting how many people want to have their own private sandbox. I thought people around me leave much to be desired when it comes to personal qualities, but when I see people in MMOs I thank God for people around me IRL.

Eric Cartman syndrome needs to DIE. For those who don't know what it means, it's a "all for me none for you" and "looking down on others and feeling good because they don't have what you do, nya nya nya".

Fairness will be when all selfish grinders die. Then virtuous people will reign supreme.


Fools dwelling in darkness,
wise in their own conceit,
and puffed up with vain knowledge,
go round in circles,
like blind men led by the blind.


The Hereafter never rises before the eyes of the careless child,
deluded by the delusion of wealth.
"This is the world," he thinks,"there is no other";
thus he falls again and again under my sway.

* Yama - Katha Upanishad

(Yama = Vedic god of Death and Justice)

^
Well said.

I'm actually excited that my level 13 assassin who I never use can actually access a really fun part of the game. Makes EotN more worth my money, and brings it closer to the rest of the game.

With all seriousness, good move Anet.

I see your point, but let me offer some insight.

Sure, they didn't work as hard as you to get in, but you still have your pride. You don't need to flaunt it off to everyone else. You worked hard, and keep that for yourself, and no one else. The level 10s don't have that.

The point is: that isn't the point. In other words, Anet is letting everyone know that the level means nothing but a number.

This is true for other games. If you want level to be important to you, make a new character and level it up how you wish. You have that option. You can drag it out all the way through Prophecies, hitting level 20 in the desert at ascension. This is simply offering an alternative way of leveling for those who want it. Oh the heresy!

It exists only for those who love to watch their numbers increase and to give people options on how they want to accomplish that. Aren't you the one who always says "you don't have to do it!" What do you care what other players do?

This is the real reason you're against it, isn't it? So, you would rather people rely on H/H or other players to carry them through, and they work as a liability, rather than equivalent to the other teammates. Those who want to level that way would do so regardless of their stats, this just means that they can contribute evenly.

Oh, but they haven't "earnt" the right to be an equal teammate just because they haven't grinded to level 20 the same way you had to? Yeah, you worked for it, everyone else should too, huh?

they stated it would be level 20 contebt no low level starting area

it still is the last time i looked

they stated you needed to be level 20 to get the quest

they did not state and we will keep it level 20 until the servers go down.

give me one single flat official statement from Anet saying this would have a level 20 PERMANENT REQUIREMENT to het in.

one of those REPEATED statements

It's not elite if you can beat it in under a day if you play straight through.

Level 20 means nothing in this game. Almost everyone who plays has a level 20, and getting to this level is not "hard" in any sense of the word.

Anet realizes this, and is allowing people with level 10's to go into EoTN. Chances are that most of those people already have characters in EoTN that are level 20, and maybe have even beaten it. And if they haven't, why not give them a free trial and see how they like it, to make the player WANT to buy the expansion in his free trial time.

Its not like level 20 takes hours to do, its a very easy and simple task (in post searing) and you're acting like its a hard and well earned accomplishment.

I've no problem <lvl 20s getting access. How many hours does it take to get to level 20 anyway? 6-8 in NF or Factions. Does anybody really think lvl20 means you are leet or something? rofl

The OP's reasons are pointless and selfish. He should go back to attempting to buy trade contracts for 100g.

I think it's an incredibly good idea.

Just because... Whine threads make me laugh.

[QUOTE]think back fish

think waaaaay back

they havent earned it has been the main rallying cry of the epeen elitest since the first time Anet made something easier for the big mass of casual players.

Anet did the unthinkable by giving us a rune trader AND guaranteed rune salvage

rune prices will drop to nothing
i demand compensation for loss of farming income
THEY DIDNT EARN IT
we who have them demand everybody has to earn it like we did

every single thing Anet has changed that gave the casual player (which is actually most of us) easier access to the nice things to have fun with the same group has jumped in to yell

*THEY DIDNT EARN IT*

freak the way i see this is that i have several below level 20 characters i wasnt going to bother leveling up who will now see GWEN

i see opening a door to a whole lot of people who may enjoy GWEN and their having fun is good for me and the gamw EVEN IF THEY DIDNT EARN IT

Oh, and I forgot. This thread comes down to:

"People who bought this game need to earn the right to play it."


I think GW2 should just sell with pre-searing, and then when everyone earns 10,000,000 grind points, they should be able to unlock Shiverpeaks but not before they spend 1,000,000 grind points on unlocking Old Ascalon.
After all, $50+ we spent on a game was just for pre-searing. The rest has to be earned. Again.

um the only buff you get is HP buff...even when my ele from NF was level 19, Attributes were capped at 12(with runes)..same from level 10 till i reached level 20 then was able to fully allocate my points to the max.

i dont think it was a matter of low levels running around..they gave triple exp for primary quests..i think you willl find a lot of low levels will of played through till they reached level 20...in a rather short time.

[QUOTE]you thought wrong thats all.

they stated all level 20 content no beginner area not elite content which is a big difference.

they did not state that they would not change the enterance requirements or any other change at some future time

this lets more people have fun and i am happy they did it as it does not hurt me a bit

Wait... people who play this game don't have level 20 characters already? Huh.

Why should I care what people do with low-level characters? It's not like level matters in this game anyway.

Thing is, there is nothing unfair about poeple being L20 when game was ballanced to be for L20 and when everyone else is also L20.

Levels never meant anything in GW, and its great that they start to mean even less.

That's the OP

I repeat, who said that the purpose of the game is get to lvl 20?
In factions, if you rush up moderately your char, you're lvl 16-17 by the time you get to kaineng, and there is where the real game begins or did you got to lvl 20 and stopped playing?
Your argument about the necessary and obligatory grind to get to lvl 20 is stupid

see, for veteran players, this is like a blessing, because they have been 5, 6 or 7 times (if not more) over the same content and the only thing they want is get to lvl 20 to start playing your so called "high end" content

No, that was killed back when Factions was released.

Lol, if you think 8 skills > the other 56 of the 7 team mates then you must really suck, i consider myself good enough to get through a mission with one slot less than the max allowed, so, why not help?

so, by your logic we shouldn't even try to kill glint because you know, she's lvl 30, 10 lvls more than anyone

I'be been playing this game almost since it's beginning, so al I can say is a big thank You to anet, that was a good move for us veteran players

We got that advantage with tomes, i mean, i made a paragon and since i have unlocked every skill via pvp I bought her some tomes and started owning asses in noob island elona

oh wait, i shouldn't do that since i didn't earn it....


the op just QQ's because he could not have the braincells to avoid some grinding, texmod for carto "OMG! it took me 3 months and several pairs of eyeglasses to finish shing jea monastery, and now everyone can do it!!!!1!1onehundredandeleven"

prestige armor on a sub lvl 20 "QQ, QQ, QQ, why oh why did anet let them do that? i had to kill millions of chars and sold the charr carvings to buy my elite armor!!!"

"I suck, and i need the extra 15 energy from asuran or the 100 health from norn everywhere"

it was implied.

they weaseled their way out by buffing lower levels. When they said "end game content aimed at high levels" (etc) who would have thought that it ment "any level from 10 up because we will just give them a buff".

like i said. i do not care, they could let level ones into GWEN it would have ZERO impact on personal gameplay.


just saying that you cant trust a WORD that they say, and when Anet tells us they cant do something for X,Y, or Z reasons. Its a LIE.

Any btw when i said "repeatedly tell us that such and such..." i was referring to things like extra storage tabs, party search.

Firstly I dont understand why this thread has gotten to 11 pages.

This is Guild Wars, it isnt other RPG's. The main game is supposed to be grind free to play (Excluding certain titles, those are an optional bonus you dont need to do).

You can get from lvl 10-20 in a matter of hours, maybe about 4 or 5 of them. So whoop-a-dee-doo, a level 10 character going to GWEN and recieving the buff is not playing for an extra measly few hours to get level 20 before playing GWEN. Like it really makes any difference.

Guildwars has never been about working your way up to handle more difficult areas. Once you finish noob island, and get level 20 which takes like one or two days max, you are able to play pretty much anywhere you have gotten to as the level of the main game no longer scales. In the case of prophecies, you cant play the higher level areas untill getting through the rest of the game anyway, but that doesnt really matter in GWEN since it only takes a few hours to complete it all.

This whole thread and the OP is elitism in GW at the worst of the worst level.

ZOMFG I am lvl 20 and you are only lvl 10. HAXXXXXXX that you can play the same thing that I can ZOMFG.

Get off your noob horse and realise that level in guild wars DOESNT MEAN A FREAKING THING (no pun intended).

Now tell me, since the introduction of heroes do you play the normal campaigns (stuff like missions and random quests, not things like urgoz) with other people? I don't, and I dont know anyone who does.
Therefore, that update couldn't matter less to the game community.

I think its an interesting move on Anet's part.

Sure there's are pros and cons for this move. IMO, if a level 10 thinks he's good enough to play in EotN, let him or her do so.

It will become apparent whether EotN is too difficult or not by their actions and self-assessment.

And isn't GW stressing Skill>Time?

Yes I do and yes I did. I started using pugs when I did hard mode on all campaigns and found them more fun, if not harder to find. I still us heroes and hench for smaller things which i dont want to spend 30 minutes waiting to start.

couldn't agree more

/me hands out bhavv a cookie, nobel prize and the key to duncan's dungeon as a sign of understanding

You're telling me I've been wasting my time leveling my Legendary Survivor in Istan all this time?

IMO i dont like it because....:>>>><<<
1. more build beggers
a. more beggers
b.did i say beggers?
2. immature kids....(dont you hate it when they KEEP TALKING?!?! and they dont know what their talking about)
3. people trying to sell worthless stuff for like 100k

Oh FFS this is NOTHING new. Deal with it. I did. And on #2: the irony is almost painful.

1. Happens anyway, regardless of level.
a. Again, happens anyway. Some of us have the resources to send our 10's in without asking for handouts.
b. Yeah, you did. And it's "beggars," as long as you're gonna be using the word.
2. Again, happens regardless of level/title/class/etc.
3. Again, how is this specific to level 10's?

Well, here is the experience of someone who took advantage of this.

The buff for under 20th lvl has a little twist to it:

Yes, your attributes were bumped up, but not "equal" to lvl 20 but comparative. And they stayed there!!!! When you lvl up and allocate new points and you go above the buffed 12-9-9-9, the 12-9-9-9 stays the same until you leave GWEN. Outside of GWEN, my stats were 13-11-6-6.

When you lvl to 20, you have to leave GWEN for the buff to go away.

All in all, I had a great time in GWEN. I lvl'ed to 20 last night. I now have a nice jump on a VERY small goldie collection. And finishing the Norn Primary Quest was very satisfying. I plan on mega exploring this expansion in the future.

Thanks Anet

I like the lvl10 preview. I did not use it myself because I already have GW:EN but I like the creative solution ANet introduced to even allow low-lvl players to see GW:EN.

lol irony....

I like how this thread is about 1-3 people voicing their complaints and the vast majority of people explaining why those complaints are fairly nonsensical. Now if you'll excuse me I have a level 2 assassin itching to get into GWEN, and of course I'm a noob cuz I'm not going to be a level 20 when I enter GWEN.

Doesn't bother me at all. I played the game and I could care less what level you need to be to enter because it really doesn't affect me. Don't care if they let other people into the game, good for them. If you really have a problem with Anet doing this, level up to level 20 before going to EotN, how does someone else being able to enter EotN affect you? It doesn't.

It's a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing game, let people play it the way they want and stop taking it so RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing serious. God forbid someone gets to enjoy the game they bought. So what if Anet made EotN for level 20's, just play the game and stop making stupid pointless rant threads everytime you don't get your way or disagree with something.

im not really bothered about it because i never PUG, PUGS = FAIL always h/h but anet said GWEN would be for max players anet just went back on there word, but what do you expect from anet ?

I know theres lots people that like to get to the end of the game without haveing to go through the middle, the same people that get run to places all over the map and begging for money when they cant afford anything when they get there. Thats fine you play how you want. But I always believed you cant pander to everyone without the expense of someone. And the people Anet seems to be pandering too - god mode- crowd I want nothing apart of. I was planning on getting EoTN after ascending in Prophecies, but now I see no reason too, for the same reason I didnt get factions or Nightfall, because its not more content to do, like adding more harder areas to the game with greater rewards, its just "another" area to do like Nightfall or factions which is not what I was looking for in an expansion. That and the 5 hour trial that expired on me before I even had a chance to enter EoTN kinda tipped me off $40 wasnt worth the content. And yes, in an online game where we share the economy, letting people play in god mode does have an effect on the rest of us - economy.

Level 1's should be able to enter EoTN, but they shouldnt get any buffs, whats next? why not have everyone start at 20 and buff us to near max armor, give us near max weapons so we can play the end game content we payed for? ....

waiting for GW2, not going to support crap though.

It's a game. Screw the economy. Go farm up some cash yourself or shut the hell up about "economy". If you don't like the way the economy is headed, say. the price on a certain item is getting out of hand, then quit whining, don't buy the damn thing, and go find your own, or make do with what you have. The economy is just like any other part of the game, a game within a game as it were - you don't HAVE to play it if you don't want to. I have never bought or traded for a single damn thing. I wanted a good bow, I went out and hit Uhiwi over and over again and got myself a good bow. Screw buying/trading. And eventually, if enough people refuse to play in the sh*tty economy game, the economy is going to have to change accordingly to become more desirable.

/signed. Great idea.

I dont care.

I don't currently have any sub-20 characters so this thing doesn't affect me at all, and thus I couldn't care less.

On the other hand, I couldn't fail to notice that ANet is testing out new game mechanics for GW2 where this kind of level adjusting will be prevalent.

id find this buff only ok, if those lvl 10 players WOULD NOT RECEIVE ANY EXP WHILE THIS EVENT IS RUNNING...

means, when the trial event is over...those lvl 10's get kicked out their lazy asses out of EotN.
This means, while gettign the trial on EotN..they get only buffed like lvl 20 with the ABSOLUTE EXACT AMOUNT ouf ATTRIBUTE POINTS and not more!!! and when the event is over, those buffed charas are lvl 10 agaon with their old AP..as if nothing would have had happened


then can't this event be used to powerlevel in GW:EN in several minutes from level 10 to 20 by dwarven boxing and due to the fact, that dieing in dwarven boxing doesn't count as DEATH...powerleveling at this is the most easiest way to receive massive amounts of exp for the survivor title ...


NO, just no, this event is anet typical shit....and they ignore their own concepts ...just for promotion >.<