The Xunlai Marketplace thread

Esan

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Quote:
Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
[W]hy would they get anywhere near the implementation stage? [...] They wouldn't be finalizing it and putting on the finishing touches to a feature they didn't test fully and were 100% positive they would be adding it.
You have no way of knowing how far this purported feature is in development. In fact, you don't even have any piece of information that can contradict the hypothesis that Anet is yanking all our chains.

arcanemacabre

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Esan
You have no way of knowing how far this purported feature is in development. In fact, you don't even have any piece of information that can contradict the hypothesis that Anet is yanking all our chains.
The most obvious and likely thing going on here is that this Xunlai Market is real, it has been worked on recently, and it has undergone enough testing to be moving into the final stages of development. Of course, it is possible that they did a little testing, assumed it would work, started to work on localization when they realized a huge problem with it and ditched the whole thing a month or two ago hoping no one would notice. It is also possible that they threw in a bunch of random clues to some trade system they never intended on implementing in hopes that people would snoop around the .dat file and find it, go in a frenzy on forums with high hopes, only to have them dashed by Gaile or whoever, laughing the whole time.

Sure, those two events are possible... but unlikely given the evidence. Thus, my point.

Fril Estelin

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Quote:
Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
Of course, it is possible that they did a little testing, assumed it would work, started to work on localization when they realized a huge problem with it and ditched the whole thing a month or two ago hoping no one would notice.
Very unlikely: they would have removed unnecessary stuff from the dat file, so as to spare the servers transferring this to all clients (it may be a few Ks, but it's time tens of thousands).

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DarkWasp

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Im just excited to know that they didn't go all the way through GW1 without even trying.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fril Estelin
Very unlikely: they would have removed unnecessary stuff from the dat file, so as to spare the servers transferring this to all clients (it may be a few Ks, but it's time tens of thousands).
Wrong, there's TONS of 'unnecessary' stuff in the dat file.

Holly Herro

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Sounds too good to be rtue =]

It COULD be happening. I hope it is actually

But, why didn't they start earlier?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkWasp
Im just excited to know that they didn't go all the way through GW1 without even trying.
This is my feeling as well.

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Originally Posted by Holly Herro
But, why didn't they start earlier?
It better be a good reason, or I might just have to fly over there and tell em what I think.

MithranArkanere

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Maybe they needed to remove the districcts frontiers and boundaries firsts, and there where legal issues against that...

Maybe the market uses a single server, to save resources, nad they would have to use various servers before removing the separations.

It's logical. If you are setting a system that uses few resources, like a forum board you won't use multiple machines, just one.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
Maybe they needed to remove the districcts frontiers and boundaries firsts, and there where legal issues against that...

Maybe the market uses a single server, to save resources, nad they would have to use various servers before removing the separations.

It's logical. If you are setting a system that uses few resources, like a forum board you won't use multiple machines, just one.
It would also be easier to sell things if there were more people able to buy them.

scrinner

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The Latest Idea on why it hasn't been implemented is actually rather intriguing. The fact is we have two ideas and they all point to the marketplace being released sometime next month now (Late february).

The Canthan New Year AND The Fact that Japanese/Korean Districts will be dissolved by then. All users sharing one marketplace is definately going to help promote marketplace usage.

-Loki-

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Quote:
Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
Not saying it isn't possible, just saying that scrapping this idea as far as they have gotten with it is highly unlikely, and that there is proof this feature was worked on within the last 3 months. Both of those facts point to a very high probability that they are still working on it, and it is not scrapped.
Kind of like when Phinney said, a few weeks before Factions release, that Factions would have a Guild Vault? He wouldn't have said that, that close to release, if it wasn't already implemented and undergoing testing. The fact that it's not in game means it was scrapped.

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In any case here is to hoping. Would be so cool to have something like that since many people as well as myself don't have time to sit in town spamming all day and night.

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a market place, which fix pricing on stuffs and a need to registers your characters with the market place npc will potentially be the end of bots and un-wanted gold sellers.

every trade have to be done using your registered character.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Holly Herro
But, why didn't they start earlier?
Anet was always behind schedulle and had trouble delivering standart content on time.

I guess they didnt want to tie up resources they already missed on new feature that potentially consumed hundreds of mandays.

Quote:
Originally Posted by pumpkin pie
a market place, which fix pricing on stuffs and a need to registers your characters with the market place npc will potentially be the end of bots and un-wanted gold sellers.

every trade have to be done using your registered character.
Huh? So what, botter will register his characters for sales if he wants to use marketplace, but they would trade face to face.

Only thing hurting botters is fact it seems that unids are unsellable in marketplace.

arcanemacabre

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Quote:
Originally Posted by -Loki-
Kind of like when Phinney said, a few weeks before Factions release, that Factions would have a Guild Vault? He wouldn't have said that, that close to release, if it wasn't already implemented and undergoing testing. The fact that it's not in game means it was scrapped.
That's a little different, since saying something and actually doing it are different things. I'm not sure of the quote, though, so maybe you could point to it. Even if it was said, likely they really were wanting to add one, but then when beginning to work on it, saw that it wouldn't work, so they didn't. This feature has already been designed, gone into testing phase, and then into finalization. We have no way of knowing how far, if at all, the 'guild vault' got.

Esan

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Quote:
Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
This feature has already been designed, gone into testing phase, and then into finalization.
Stop saying that! You don't know this for a fact. We have had more than enough dashed hopes with Guild Wars; we don't need another hype bubble.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by zwei2stein
Anet was always behind schedulle and had trouble delivering standart content on time.

I guess they didnt want to tie up resources they already missed on new feature that potentially consumed hundreds of mandays.



Huh? So what, botter will register his characters for sales if he wants to use marketplace, but they would trade face to face.

Only thing hurting botters is fact it seems that unids are unsellable in marketplace.
marketplace will be the only place that you can trade, register with you real life identification with Term and condition.

-Loki-

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Quote:
Originally Posted by arcanemacabre
That's a little different, since saying something and actually doing it are different things. I'm not sure of the quote, though, so maybe you could point to it.
have fun. If you don't want to click on it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by James Phinney in GS article
Important services, such as a Xunlai storage agent and a priest of Balthazar, will be moderately priced, while other, more esoteric services will be priced as luxuries. Among the most anticipated, I'm sure, will be a vault keeper who maintains storage space for the whole guild. This is an entirely new feature that we're adding soon after the release of Factions.

arcanemacabre

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Esan
Stop saying that! You don't know this for a fact. We have had more than enough dashed hopes with Guild Wars; we don't need another hype bubble.
Sorry

I'm personally not holding my breath. I'm a realist, not an optimist. I see a high probability, nothing more.

Quote:
Originally Posted by -Loki-
have fun. If you don't want to click on it.
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zwei2stein

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Quote:
Originally Posted by pumpkin pie
marketplace will be the only place that you can trade, register with you real life identification with Term and condition.
That would be terribad idea. Extremelly teribad.

pumpkin pie

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if you have nothing to hide, its not a bad idea at all. beside, i don't sell stuffs hahaha, so it doesn't affect me, but on the other hand, if you really really want to set up shop, you should register yourself.


Terribad is a terrible spelling.

zwei2stein

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Quote:
Originally Posted by pumpkin pie
if you have nothing to hide, its not a bad idea at all. beside, i don't sell stuffs hahaha, so it doesn't affect me, but on the other hand, if you really really want to set up shop, you should register yourself.


Terribad is a terrible spelling.
I think you dont get implication of "trade only in marketplace" thing.

Have you ever given out stuff? That is trading.
Have you ever muled stuff or helped someone mule suff between accounts? That is trading.
Have you ever borrowed stuff? Again its trading.
You woldnt be able to drop stuff on ground (omg, it would be abuseable for trading).
Barter trading would be impossible.

Terribad idea to prevent all this.

As for "real life identification", it soo damn easy to fake some (guess what, you need to provide that kind of info when registering GW account and you have to agree to some legaleese too ... didnt stop bots so far, besides reenterign that info for some fetaure is redudnant.)

And that "If you have nothing to hide..." by people who support all kinds of restrictive garbage just opens knife in my pocket. So what, people are entitled for privacy. People who HAVE something to hide can bypass it easily anyway, so there is no point, no point at all, unless you want to hurt sheep people who think they have nothing to hide.

I really dont get it, people got "evil, evil, evil guy is gonna get you" and agree with all kinds of self-crippling shit that is not even gonna help happily.

MithranArkanere

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Limiting trade to the marketplace would be a mistake.

It would be better if it where a place where you can set a limited number of items to be sold while you are playing.

Waiting in outposts to trade it's a waste of time, and by trading via third-party systems it's a nuisance if you don't share timezones.

Ok, I found a buyer for my item. I can enter the game from 21:00 to 23:30 GMT, and he can only from 4:00 to to 7:00 GMT.

Dang.


So I see the marketplace as a separate system you connect with only by entering the Xunlai Market, outpost, to set the things you sell, and other can buy them by searching it Xunlai Agents.

That could work quite good.

Neo Nugget

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I was thinking it should be an automatic transaction if they can pull it off.
Buyer gets the item when they buy it and seller gets gold when they come to pick it up.

zwei2stein

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Well, offline trading does not sounds that much necesary.

Not only that it sounds harder to implelement, it is not that much necesary: you dont need to meet that 4-7 guy because there is chance that there is someone who is online at same time like you who is also interested in that item.

And you could always just leave computer on and afk overnight in some calm outpost to widen your access window to market.

MirkoTeran

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Quote:
Originally Posted by zwei2stein
And you could always just leave computer on and afk overnight in some calm outpost to widen your access window to market.
Finally a reason to AFK 24/7!

kokuou

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I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble, but I seem to remember a few months ago ArenaNet was looking for German and Spanish speaking testers in the Seattle area (it was also in the login announcements).

So, that means that this probably wasn't localized, but rather simply translated for those testers, since the only reported translated strings have been in German and Spanish.

I don't mean to be a downer on the conversation, but this probably means that it's further from a finished state than some people seem to think.

Just my $0.02.

MithranArkanere

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I don't see a direct relation.

If the localized lines where not there and now there are, it's because there has been some kind of change isn't it?

DarkWasp

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The question isnt, how long until release? It's, how long until they announce it?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by kokuou
I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble, but I seem to remember a few months ago ArenaNet was looking for German and Spanish speaking testers in the Seattle area (it was also in the login announcements).

So, that means that this probably wasn't localized, but rather simply translated for those testers, since the only reported translated strings have been in German and Spanish.

I don't mean to be a downer on the conversation, but this probably means that it's further from a finished state than some people seem to think.

Just my $0.02.
I'm failing to see why they would need to test people who spoke a language different than English to merely test features. If the product was done, you'd think they would then ask German and Spanish speaking people to help translate the texts and make sure it wouldn't sound odd. Asking people to test that happened to use a different language wouldn't make any difference at all to the overall development time. If they asked German and Spanish speaking people to test it, it must mean it is CLOSER and not farther away.

I understand where your coming from, but I don't see how this flip-flopped would make any sense. Unless Anet does it differently.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by zwei2stein
I think you dont get implication of "trade only in marketplace" thing.

Have you ever given out stuff? That is trading.
Have you ever muled stuff or helped someone mule suff between accounts? That is trading.
Have you ever borrowed stuff? Again its trading.
You woldnt be able to drop stuff on ground (omg, it would be abuseable for trading).
Barter trading would be impossible.

Terribad idea to prevent all this.

As for "real life identification", it soo damn easy to fake some (guess what, you need to provide that kind of info when registering GW account and you have to agree to some legaleese too ... didnt stop bots so far, besides reenterign that info for some fetaure is redudnant.)

And that "If you have nothing to hide..." by people who support all kinds of restrictive garbage just opens knife in my pocket. So what, people are entitled for privacy. People who HAVE something to hide can bypass it easily anyway, so there is no point, no point at all, unless you want to hurt sheep people who think they have nothing to hide.

I really dont get it, people got "evil, evil, evil guy is gonna get you" and agree with all kinds of self-crippling shit that is not even gonna help happily.
Thank you for a good response instead of a one liner that no one knows why you think the idea is bad. I don't read mind for your info, but all the same, those are things I had in mind as well that would be whats stopping Arena Net from having people register.

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There was a small update just now (new User Agreement too). Was too small to really contain anything new though, methinks.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkWasp
The question isnt, how long until release? It's, how long until they announce it?
For me the question is still 'Is this true'? XDDD


I seriously hope so, but even if all the data we have is true, we only know that they are testing it.
If they suddenly need more human resources for other questions, and they find difficulties in development or resources to keep the thing up, they may drop the 'project'.

So in the end we know nothing.

I just hope we can sing the final Portal song about this:

"This was a triumph,
I'm making a note here: HUGE SUCESS,
It's hard to overstate my satisfaction..."

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Quote:
Originally Posted by MithranArkanere
I just hope we can sing the final Portal song about this:

"This was a triumph,
I'm making a note here: HUGE SUCESS,
It's hard to overstate my satisfaction..."
Im sure well see some Portal references in GW2.

Meanwhile, if this XMP comes out for GW1, it'll keep me alive until then.

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as late as this feature may be, i will still appreciate it b/c it may finally mean mods wont take hours of standing shifting thru spam in la.