Well, 250-300 HP actually isn't enough to save somebody from a good spike with follow-ups. And I agree with Ketsu, it'll definitely help spike teams (which I thought is what ANet didn't want to do...o_O)
~Tru
3/6/08 update
Da Tru Legend
shirosan
this is sad.. anet just killed some nice builds by nerfing physic instability into a joke. good job lols
Master Ketsu
Exactly. the bottom of the barrel 100% is still helpful to stop spikes, but a powerful spike ( which there are plenty of ) will trample it and thats assuming your infuser is at 100% 600 health all the time, which he probably wont be. And as for teams that use an SB ? gg.
Kyp Jade
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Hello OP necros.
One thing I do like about this update is the second half of the change to siphon speed. IMO it shouldn't have had its time nerfed, but the 50% while moving forces the sin class to take a bit more skill to play when running it. But still the nerf is too big. 20 Second recharge, revert duration. It wasn't THAT broken it was just good in the meta. Shroud is now a wimpy blackout. And wail of doom is now beyond broken. This increases the power of spike teams to the point where no other build can stand a chance. Revert immediately please. 3...2...1...wailing infuser....Spike ! 3...2...1...wailing infuser....Spike ! 3...2...1...wailing infuser....Spike ! 3...2...1...wailing infuser....Spike ! |
3...2...1.. wailing prot, SPIKE THE INFUSER!!!
Master Ketsu
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VERY wrong on this one, its
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Trinity Fire Angel
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Originally Posted by MagmaRed
Except for the energy/recharge, Wail of Doom is the same as Atrophy. I don't quite see why they needed to make an elite version of Atrophy, and one that is only SLIGHTLY better.
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well. atrophy only decreases the primary. Wail of Doom decreases ALL attributes to 0. LOL
you just turn people back into L0 noobs again. Just laugh at Ele nukers doing 0 dmg for a few secs. More of a humour skill this :P
Absolute_Zero
Anyone else getting code 058 since update? Web browsers + everything else is working fine, I even tried disabling firewall.
Trinity Fire Angel
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Except for the energy/recharge, Wail of Doom is the same as Atrophy. I don't quite see why they needed to make an elite version of Atrophy, and one that is only SLIGHTLY better.
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well. atrophy only decreases the primary. Wail of Doom decreases ALL attributes to 0. LOL
you just turn people back into L0 noobs again. Just laugh at Ele nukers doing 0 dmg for a few secs. More of a humour skill this :P
in terms of wailing spikes... hex breaker? perhaps/./// oh well. they might nerf this? i can;t beleive they didn;t think of this or perhaps they would like to push the game into a totally new meta... rather than modifications of the current meta.
Cacheelma
Regarding Simple Thievery and Anet Keyboard: Clearly there's a newer edition of the keyboard (the one we see here are quite new as it has "Same Mask" button). The newest edition should have a new button under "Skill Balance" saying "Distract with Bugs" (i.e. this isn't the first time something like this happens).
gg.
gg.
Crom The Pale
Lions comfort seams completely useless now, shields up and watchyourself also nerfed again...
Why the war hate?
Wars have so many skills that need buffs, and you choose to buff a hammer attack nobody should ever use and nerf skills people do use...
Why the war hate?
Wars have so many skills that need buffs, and you choose to buff a hammer attack nobody should ever use and nerf skills people do use...
Redfeather1975
The simple thievery change is what I suggested for Power Lock pre-EotN on the official wiki!
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Talk:Power_Lock
Only it's the elite version of my suggestion cuz it works on everything!
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Talk:Power_Lock
Only it's the elite version of my suggestion cuz it works on everything!
shirosan
physics instability was like an all rounder skill which is one of the only few good elite mesmer has, and now it was changed to be a mesmer only skill and having its functionality changed to wat of a normal skill should deliver.
HawkofStorms
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Lions comfort seams completely useless now
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You Look Grim
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My ele is crying at the MB and Rogs nerfs
 Oh well.. there's always UB... Oh wait.. I signed up to play an ele, not a bear.... SF it is again... |
shoyon456
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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale
Lions comfort seams completely useless now, shields up and watchyourself also nerfed again...
Why the war hate? Wars have so many skills that need buffs, and you choose to buff a hammer attack nobody should ever use and nerf skills people do use... |
VanDamselx
Wow thanks A-Net! Happy Birthday to me! Time to find those weapons 
LiQUidPoWEr
I strongly agree that people should stop *JUST* whining about these updates and actually give a valid reason for disagreeing with it. A reason someone with the power to change it might actually bother to listen to.
I wouldnt even bother reading past the 3rd page in this thread if I were them.
Speaking from both a stong PvP and PvE background, AND taking into account the different styles of play that both carry with them, I have to say that there are definately several to a few BAD changes in this update.
WY did NOT need that curbstomping. I can see WHY the attack cap is necessary, but max 3 is rediculous. Especially since those 3 can be eradicated in 1 second by 2 people WANDING you.
PI = why bother. It was a good skill. Could have used a nerf to perhaps "Whenever a foe casting a spell is interrupted, that foe is knocked down", this prevents the thunderclap like effect while not changing the skills function.
Mystic Regen took a bit of a hit here. It DID need to be nerfed from its original state, and was. the enchant cap was a good addition to prevent things like Vow of Silence dervs being impervious to degen. I think that it is fair even to apply ONE of the current changes, and keep either its ability to be used as a cover enchantment (fast recharge) or its longevity. But without removing the cap to compensate, I think this nerf is just unnecessary overkill.
Although alot of people are happy to see Shroud of Silence nerfed, and although assasin is probably my least played class, I fail to see how its previous duration was a problem. Its an ELITE, its SUPPOSED to be good.
learn to preveil, people.
All objections aside, the changes show imagination in some areas and a blatant lack therof in others. Not a crippling update by any means, but dissappointing in some areas.
I wouldnt even bother reading past the 3rd page in this thread if I were them.
Speaking from both a stong PvP and PvE background, AND taking into account the different styles of play that both carry with them, I have to say that there are definately several to a few BAD changes in this update.
WY did NOT need that curbstomping. I can see WHY the attack cap is necessary, but max 3 is rediculous. Especially since those 3 can be eradicated in 1 second by 2 people WANDING you.
PI = why bother. It was a good skill. Could have used a nerf to perhaps "Whenever a foe casting a spell is interrupted, that foe is knocked down", this prevents the thunderclap like effect while not changing the skills function.
Mystic Regen took a bit of a hit here. It DID need to be nerfed from its original state, and was. the enchant cap was a good addition to prevent things like Vow of Silence dervs being impervious to degen. I think that it is fair even to apply ONE of the current changes, and keep either its ability to be used as a cover enchantment (fast recharge) or its longevity. But without removing the cap to compensate, I think this nerf is just unnecessary overkill.
Although alot of people are happy to see Shroud of Silence nerfed, and although assasin is probably my least played class, I fail to see how its previous duration was a problem. Its an ELITE, its SUPPOSED to be good.
learn to preveil, people.
All objections aside, the changes show imagination in some areas and a blatant lack therof in others. Not a crippling update by any means, but dissappointing in some areas.
shirosan
whining with reasons=discussion. there is no reason why we cant voice our displeasure with the update right?cant be we juz saying oh good yes all the updates r good while being against our wishes?
street peddler
lol, learn to prevail against a skill that prevents you from doing anything.
shirosan
sorry, but that skill is way more useful than u think. its just how flexible u r to change a "useless" skill into something very useful.
Pleikki
Nice skill updates 
Master Ketsu
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lol, learn to prevail against a skill that prevents you from doing anything.
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Dr Strangelove
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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale
Lions comfort seams completely useless now, shields up and watchyourself also nerfed again...
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Lion's comfort was buffed.
Wail is nasty, for sure, but remember that it's replacing crap like shroud of silence which was even nastier. I'm so very happy that skill is finally dead.
ManMadeGod
necro will be viable in gvg now.
sin nerf hurts a bit.
sin nerf hurts a bit.
arcanemacabre
WY! nerf was a bit overkill, agreed with that. Then again, I rarely ever use it, so it affects me not. Plus, Shields Up is looking really nice now - going to be a staple skill for the Charr territory with all them r-spike groups. The rest of the update seemed... necessary, I guess. Some of it is making my mouth water, such as Weaken Armor and Enfeeble buffs. Gonna have to go try this out when I get home! Whee!
(I love skill changes, can you tell?)
(I love skill changes, can you tell?)
Buzzer
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lol, learn to prevail against a skill that prevents you from doing anything.
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As it stands now, Shroud of Silence is worse than pretty much any regular knockdown skill. It is garbage.
Grammar
For their next update, why doesn't Anet just do this:
"Watch Yourself!": Removed from the game because we hate it.
Seriously, all the WY! rape going on over at Anet's offices is getting pretty ridiculous. Why not just put it out of its misery and mercifully remove it from the game?
Some other notes:
- Lions Comfort is actually good now, dual purpose heal & adren engine ftw!
- Tactics is officially dead, thanks to Lions Comfort buff and more WY! rape.
- Rodgort's Invocation nerf was needed, Mind Blast nerf was not.
- If you though Necros were overpowered before.....
"Watch Yourself!": Removed from the game because we hate it.
Seriously, all the WY! rape going on over at Anet's offices is getting pretty ridiculous. Why not just put it out of its misery and mercifully remove it from the game?
Some other notes:
- Lions Comfort is actually good now, dual purpose heal & adren engine ftw!
- Tactics is officially dead, thanks to Lions Comfort buff and more WY! rape.
- Rodgort's Invocation nerf was needed, Mind Blast nerf was not.
- If you though Necros were overpowered before.....
slowerpoke
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"Watch Yourself!": Removed from the game because we hate it.
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Nothing of value was lost
arcanemacabre
I never really liked the idea of nerfing a skill simply because a different class can abuse it. I have the perfect change - make WY! a vanilla skill. In other words, it would work exactly the same as it did before, but wouldn't count as a shout. That way Warriors can still use it, and Paragons can't abuse it. Anything wrong with that idea?
slowerpoke
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I never really liked the idea of nerfing a skill simply because a different class can abuse it. I have the perfect change - make WY! a vanilla skill. In other words, it would work exactly the same as it did before, but wouldn't count as a shout. That way Warriors can still use it, and Paragons can't abuse it. Anything wrong with that idea?
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"You gain 1 Energy for each ally affected by one of your Paragon attributed Shouts or Chants (maximum 1 Energy for every 2 ranks)."
Racthoh
Leadership should be half the energy return on adrenaline shouts and chants, and only up to half the energy used for energy shouts/chants. At least make paragons think about skill usage and managing energy instead of mashing everything on recharge.
arcanemacabre
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Leadership
"You gain 1 Energy for each ally affected by one of your Paragon attributed Shouts or Chants (maximum 1 Energy for every 2 ranks)." |
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Leadership should be half the energy return on adrenaline shouts and chants, and only up to half the energy returned for energy shouts/chants. At least make paragons think about skill usage and managing energy instead of mashing everything on recharge.
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shadows of hob
O.o, very interesting update....
Some skills got nerfed in oblivion again and guess who got the buffs? The already overpowered necro. Wail of doom might be lolz to play with.
Good to see the r/d build got nerfed a bit.. facing the same teambuild in uw, fetid, burial, relics, shrines and the gates is easy fame, but also really boring.
Shame nearly all decent non-attack skills of the sin got nerfed, what are they supposed to do now?
Good to see those changes to gole and the wards, but nerfing AND mind blast AND rodgorts AND flame djins...
Some skills got nerfed in oblivion again and guess who got the buffs? The already overpowered necro.
Wail of doom might be lolz to play with.Good to see the r/d build got nerfed a bit.. facing the same teambuild in uw, fetid, burial, relics, shrines and the gates is easy fame, but also really boring.
Shame nearly all decent non-attack skills of the sin got nerfed, what are they supposed to do now?
Good to see those changes to gole and the wards, but nerfing AND mind blast AND rodgorts AND flame djins...
SerenitySilverstar
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I never really liked the idea of nerfing a skill simply because a different class can abuse it. I have the perfect change - make WY! a vanilla skill. In other words, it would work exactly the same as it did before, but wouldn't count as a shout. That way Warriors can still use it, and Paragons can't abuse it. Anything wrong with that idea?
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I really REALLY want my WY back, because I use it lots on my PvE warrior.
Necrotic
Mine uses it too....not often but enough to notice. I just gave some help to a newbie warrior just before the update to equip the skill. Wonder what they think of me now....
RyXXed
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Originally Posted by Grammar
- Tactics is officially dead, thanks to Lions Comfort buff
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yesitsrob
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Yeah, because they definitely want to keep that 1% of their players happy.
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zwei2stein
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Originally Posted by Bryant Again
Why bring "Watch Yourself!" when you could bring "Save Yourselves!"?
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Heroes with WY! were quite good (and balanced) replacement.
N1ghtstalker
i think i'll play necro some more in PvP
[skill]wail of doom[/skill] here i come!
[skill]wail of doom[/skill] here i come!
RhanoctJocosa
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Holy veil cannot protect you from everything.
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Lots of changes but as usual only a few actually matter. Recharge on Guardian makes me sad