Should Lootscaling be removed after the new Rtm policy?

Here's what I do in the game... I don't set out to farm but I make plenty of money anyway.

1) Some nights I AB for a while, picking up 3-4 Z-Keys that I sell for 3k each. In addition to amber, that's roughly 15k per night right there. And that's on a night when I'm just pvping and not trying to make any money.

2) I have adapted builds to excel in a few dungeons. I can run Sepulchre of Dragimmar for example in about 35 minutes, banking about 3k in loot plus whatever I get in level 2 hidden treasures and maybe an Onyx from the boss. I've had plenty of runs that have netted me over 10k due getting a ruby or whatever.

3) Once in a while I get a nice gold worth selling. I sometimes sell on guru auctions which has been a nice source of cash.

4) I'm patient.

You don't need consumables to Vanq.

I dont think so. Personally, I have made loads of money after LS without farming, purely through playing the game H/H, doing the odd elite mission/vanq here and there. I have to ask, what is everyone spending their money on that makes them lose so much? All I really spend it on is cheap unded minis (9/20 so far for HoM, around 60k more to max it), ID kits and a few salvage ones. Recently I spent a lot on cap sigs, but it didnt make me broke. So why peoples money dissapearing so fast?

Have you actually played the game before Loot Scaling?

It would still take one about half a year to buy stuff like FoW armours from the profit made by Trolls. The guys don't make you rich in an instant, it takes patience and time.

It wasn't intended by the game, but A-Net DOES approve of farm builds and don't think they are wrong. Else they wouldn't have made Mhenlo a 55 HP monk...

You miss my point. I'm not saying that it's possible to make LS-era gold now. I'm saying that that it's perfectly fine to make less gold.

I think it's a good thing that it takes tons of dedication to make tons of money. It was just too easy before to make gobs of cash solo farming, which the game never intended.

No, before the LS it took tons of dedication to make tons of money. Now it's impossible to make tons of money unless you make GW your second life or win an Asian Mini-Pet or something.

I love ya

@Reet: Weird, it's still working for me a quite a buncha people... I made only 250k by playing the game in half this week, i know nothing fancy...
But i SWEAR, i saw monsters still dropping items when you kill em...

Ohhh, so now this is no longer about the casual player not being able to afford the basics. It's about people wanting to be able to make "tons of cash" in a short time. /ponder

Yeah I was able to save for FoW in a couple weeks. Does that count as "tons" of money?

The way people were playing the game before was the way it was intended, you kill get money and get armor/whatever anet put into the game to be acquired, if a person was able to clear an area for insane amounts of cash that was no loophole, if it was anet would have fixed it a long long long time ago. Also, for those who weren't here before LS, you have no say in the matter due to the fact that you only know the experience with lootscaling.

You can still do that >_>



They did...by adding loot scaling...

Well 1 out of 10 monsters might drop an item when killing them. As for the 250K in a week... It's hard to believe that unless you are playing this game ALOT, you are a Hardcore Farmer or you are EXTREMELY lucky with drops. I haven't got more than 100K in a MONTH. Well I ended up with less because I needed to buy other stuff.

No, I was just explaining a thing to the guy that said it was possible to make tons of cash in the past just by farming Trolls. That was not the case as it was still very hard to become rich cause of trolls.

Except now, when you kill there is only a few % chance you get money.

No, it was never possible to kill an area of monsters. It was also impossible to get insane amounts of cash from farming, too. The most cash that was usually aquired from a Troll run was 1,5K.

UW, however, is untouched and it's possible to make 45K there with ease. Too bad Underworld isn't for casual gamers and to farm there it takes alot of time and cash.

Loot Scaling wasn't implented as a counter for Casual Farming, btw.

Wrong. Before loot scaling it was possible to make 5-10k+ in a short run. Run out, kill some mobs, merch all the junk, repeat over and over. THIS is what anet wanted to (and did) stop.


No. It was implemented to counter hardcore gold farming bots, and hardcore farmers, and to stop the uncontrolled flood of new gold entering the economy. Which it achieved. Casual farmers (like me) can still farm.

I am a casual player.... want to know if any hardcore players are willing to donate a full collection of destroyer weapons to me because they are really expensive and i would like to get my bonus in GW2 also please. Since only the oldheads are allowed to have money evidently.

600/Smite CoF. You'll get your Destroyer weapons. Though I don't quite get why a "casual" player should expect to get a full set to begin with, loot scaling or not.

well then let me spell it out moron.......... ----->H.O.M.<----
I will still be a casual player in GW2 and I would like to get the same bonus from my HOM as the hardcore player. The more crap you cram in, the better the reward, right? It is BS and I hate it (everyone should start the new game equal, no bonuses), but it is part of it now. Even if the reward for filling the HOM is 7gold and a butt-shaped hat, I should be able to get it.

Not without dieing of boredom.




Wrong. Please, try again.

And you can get it, if you work for it. HoM rewards (or anything else) are not handed to you because you think you're entitled to them.

Also, you're not a casual player.

except i have a life! And since i will end up spending the same amount of RW cash for the game as the hardcore gamer but i don't have time to farm for 2 years to get the stuff. That (RW cash) entitles me to the same perks in the new game. They drop HOM reward, I drop sign against LS.

The rewards won't be game-altering, or anything that gives a player an advantage over another. Nor will they be anything a "casual player" even needs to think about.

Right now you are posting here. Could you be doing CoF runs right now? Getting the onyxes, diamonds, and gold you'll need? If not, you sure could when you are able to. Instead of sitting and complaining, you can actually....try?

It's not hard to get gold, people. Stop being lazy.

I'll counter your in-depth argument with one just as intelligent.

No U!

And...this is Anet's fault? Sounds like a "he has it and I dont!!! I want it tooo!" to me...

I don't know where you used to farm, but the casual farm spots like griffons and trolls only looted about 900 gold in total. 1,5K if you were lucky. The truly profitable runs for the hardcore farmers (Like UW, FoW) were the ones where alot of cash dropped.



If so, it did not work. hardcore farmers don't farm trolls. They farm UW, DoA, FoW etc. Trolls don't get Hardcore farmers enough money.

Casual farmers (Like you claim to be) farmed trolls, Vermins and griffons. Their spots have been nerfed to drop nothing now.

Says you. + not the point

no cause I am ......Working ATM...... and although i can access forums at work, they won't let me run GW on my work comp. I don't know, they're weird like that.


Yes

Yes, and everyone else on this forum doesn't. Thanks for the clarification.

No, the RW cash gives you a license to play Guild Wars. Everything else is extra.

How is UW for Hardcore only? I don't understand that. If you have a 55, 600, Smiter, or SS necro, you could (and still can) easily do UW runs...

The people that ran out, killed them, zoned back, merched, and repeated over and over. 900-1.5k per run x 1864648646 runs an hour x 16846418 people and bots doing this = huge influx of new gold.

People still farm UW, FoW, and DoA (which is easy now, thanks to Ursan)

I farmed all of those. But now, instead of complaining here, I adapted. Now I 600/smite, and earn plenty...

Well thats fine then. When you get home, you can't? What would be stopping you from working towards something you want?

Cool now that I know how you think, I would really like to sell you and your sister each a plot of land. $500,000 each, yours will be a flat piece of scrubland and hers wil have a brand new custom 6 story mansion with a day spa. But you both get the opportunity to own property for the same amount of cash.

Only thing is that hardcore players aren't handed anything. They have to work for it the same as casuals. Only difference is that they have the time to do so.

A better thing for you to say would have been, that the other person has the time to BUILD that mansion, with the money they EARN, while you don't.

The equipment needed takes way too much cash to set up next to a normal build and the run takes WAY too much time. Also, selling the drops to real players takes alot of time which most players just don't have.


Only a few runs were possible per hour. After that the Anti-Farm Code kicked in and drops started to lose quality and quantity. Even when ignoring that fact, 2 or 3 runs a day was all that was needed to get some decent cash. Only the bots ignored the Farm Code and went on farming for hours.

Stuff like UW, dungeons, DoA etc isn't casual. Besides, most casual players don't have enough cash to set the builds up and search for an other player.

And all that's needed now is an hour doing a CoF run, or 600/smiting an area...

uhhh, unless you only play 15 minutes a day (and if that's the case, I see no point to the complaining...), you can afford a 600 setup. The armor is from Shing Jea, for one. And a hero can smite...don't even need another person...

If you are seriously flat broke 100% of the time, YOU are seriously doing something wrong, not Anet...

I am a casual player. I put in <10 hours a week. Even I do dungeons, a little solo farming etc.

You're just lazy. There is a difference.

wrong because "Suzy Nobody" who doesn't own GW1, and knows nothing of HOM, can't "work" for it. But her game isn't discounted for that lack of knowledge. Why should hypothetically your game cost the same amount and have more/better content. This is known as bad business model and it makes for angry and disheartened customers.

And to placate your delicate sensibilities, in my previous example lets say it is because Savio's sister waved at me and Savio didn't.

If Anet wants to add bonus content to dedicated players it should be to those who pay for what they are getting. Ex. I have no problem with the people who spent more for CE having more and better dances, etc...

More content should cost more, not be based on whether someone is a parent let's say or works 75 hours a week. This makes it fair to both new and old players.

New players and casuals have access to everything they need. 1k armors, collector weapons, etc. The pretty stuff is meant to be worked for. How much time you have to work for those things is not the fault of anet. But if you really want it, you WILL work for it...not expect the easy way out, or for everything to be handed to you.


Some people STILL don't understand why loot scaling was introduced in the first place...


They achieved their goal, of slowing the flood of "new gold", and stopping the rediculous inflation. I don't see them reverting back to what they saw as a problem...

Maybe if you spent you're time playing the game instead of bitching on forums about how you suck at it and want everything handed to you because you feel inferior you would'nt be in your current situation. Anyway, I'll let you get back to your "life" since you sound so busy.

HOM reward will ruin your GW2 experience if you dont get it, that's what you're saying. You should quit online play know, since you already figured out everything. Here's what ruins everything for years ... QQ'ers, Crybabies and lazyasses. When you bought GW you bought a product, a game, the gold you get past that is NOt something ANet owes you.
Have you read the posts around here? HOM rewards will be cosmetic and useless in terms of play.



@Malice: it's sometimes hard for people to accept that it might come from them, not from the game itself^^
But for 2 years, QQ got people most of the stuff they want, so i can understand this^^

HoM will prob be along the lines of this -

Full HoM of pets = special GW2 pet
Full Destroyer = Special skin
Full armour = special armour

+1 to e-peen in layman terms

Malice, with your background you're far from a casual player; casual hours != casual player. I <3 you anyway.

Believe me, I tried CoF and it takes WAY too long to just do next to the other things in the game. Remember, farming isn't what it's all about, it's the things that are bought with the cash from the farming. If I farm for 1 hour a day, I don't have time for other stuff anymore. Besides, the drops in CoF weren't that good at all if you look at the time it cost to finish the dungeon.

As for the '600/smiting an AREA'... it takes WAY too long to smite an area if that's what 600 HP Monking is all about.


I play about an hour a day, sometimes 2. In these hours I don't want to spend all my time farming, and that shouldn't be the case. 600HP Monk requires me to first make a monk, then buy all the skills and also the runes/insignia's. Also, weapons are probably needed.

Seeing as I only get about 10K a week, it takes me quite a while to make the 600 HP Monk. And unless that Monk can do farm runs that are less than a few minutes and still make profit, it's useless.

last word:

skill>time, now grind for it freak

P.S. LS sux

If you only play an hour a day, then I can't see what you are complaining about. How can you expect to make a large amount of gold, spend it, then use what you bought, in an hour...with or without lootscaling. In addition, you said that in the "old days", a run only got you around 900 gold, and you could only do a few runs an hour. What difference was there? :/

Like I said in an earlier post, it isn't Anet's fault how much time each person has to play. Not being able to play much does not = the right to be handed everything.


lol....

we all know that vision died when Nightfall was released, then was hacked to bits with the release of GW:EN.

Would you also like all your titles to be maxed right out of the box as well, since some people have time to grind for them, and you paid the same for the game as they did?

QQ

I never said I wanted to make a LARGE amount of gold. 3K is enough to entertain me for a while.

One run of maybe 1 minute (Usually shorter) 'only' got my about 1000 gold (1000 gold is quite alot I'd say) before Loot Scaling. That same run nets me about 50 Gold now (~1 drop per troll cave clear). If I want to make more cash now, I have to spend hours in a crappy dungeon.


Like I said in an earlier post, it isn't Anet's fault how much time each person has to play. Not being able to play much does not = the right to be handed everything.[/quote]

It IS A-Net's fault. A-Net says they want to make things easier to get for casual players. Most casual players don't have enough time to waste in stuff like Dungeons. The only way to make cash for them WAS a quick 50 seconds of Troll Farming. Now, firstly, one has to play for a few days and then he has a LITTLE bit of cash again. And a little bit isn't enough. Just because one has a real life to take care of shouldn't mean that person is not allowed to do ANYTHING that costs cash in this game.



No, YOU are the one that says the vision died when Nightfall was released. In the end, this will come down to a matter of opinion, but A-Net is the one that said that skill>time.

How does bringing Loot Scaling back make the maxing of titles easier? Casual farmers don't expect to make tons of money, and they don't expect to max out titles, either. Sure, some might want to slowly work on some titles, but it's not like they'll spend all their time on it like some hardcore players do.

You are the one that is whining now, really. Some people really have no choice but to farm for their cash, and some people are just so selfish and proud that they don't want anyone else to get cool stuff. After all, the removal of the Loot Scaling won't hurt YOU in any way. Unless, of course, you are a Wammo with black-dyed FoW armour, and you want to be the only one with this equipment.

And you still believe that holds true? That skill > time? Look at the GW:EN titles and Ursan before you reply to that.

It doesn't. My point flew right over your head. My point was that you can't expect to have everything handed to you because you don't have enough time to work for anything. To top it off, not only did you not understand what I was saying there, but that wasn't even directed at you in the first place...

Oh no, I assure you I'm not. I mean it's like you said, the loot scaling thing doesnt really affect me any. I go farm, even with loot scaling, and earn plenty. Which is odd, considering those that say it's "impossible" now. I just find it a bit interesting, how the line is being crossed, between a casual player who can't afford the basics, and a lazy player who wants everything handed to him because he doesn't have the "time" to work for it.

I do have to farm for my cash. Which is....er....why I still farm for it. And nope, I'm not a wammo. I'm a Ranger. And yes, I have FoW, which I gradually saved for AFTER loot scaling. I wanted it. I worked for it. It took a while, but I got it. Just like ANYONE else can. I don't want anyone else to have it? Wrong...anyone that wants it...go get it. Because it can be done, regardless of what the lazies say. xD

That 3k a day you wish for can be made...very easily...whether you are farming or questing or doing missions.

Reetkever: if for you, making money is Troll Farming in nm, you got what you deserve