Should Lootscaling be removed after the new Rtm policy?

Wow. Some of you want LS removed just so you can grind for your titles and complete HoM? That's completely selfish and asking for ANET to cater to a small minority of extreme niche players.

HoM isnt meant for everyone to complete, so it's hardly an entitlement. LS is meant for the majority of players to have a chance of actually affording to buy items from other players without having to farm their life away. Asking to remove all that just so you can complete the extreme goal of HoM is idiotic.

Back in the day I wasn't, but these days I qualify as 'casual'. So there!

It is a GAME it isn't supposed to be WORK it is supposed to be FUN!!!!! People with no lives, those who live in mommies basement touching themselves to toons, and kids who haven't been there yet can't seem to deliniate the 2. The casual player is usually the person who just came home from work and is doing this to have fun. When they implemented lootscaling, they lessened that fun. It is not fun to kill 17 enemies for 1 crummy white drop that merches for 60g, but 17 crummy white drops at least seems like something even if they are garbage. When you take the time to kill something, it should drop something. (Bring out the tanks cause here it comes) At least WoW figured that out. Almost every kill earns something, even if it is crap. But there is no point arguing here because the "ubers" want to stay that way and that won't happen if everyone has a shot.

So who's stopping you from having fun? You are saying that farming is the only way for you to have fun in Guild Wars?

This thread's vastly becomming on the level of stupidity as the old "soul reaping" thread was...

Not quite there yet though...

Yes, the game isnt supposed to be work, it's supposed to be fun. You're completely right.

But removing LS will basically force the casual player to farm! Farming isnt fun for a lot of people, it's work. And yet you're advocating removing the mechanic that's been put in place for people who can play normally and have fun?

Oh and if anyone has "no lives" and "lives in mommies basements", it's the hardcore farmers who farm all the time and complaining about LS.

OK chief so tell me, what is the replay value of GW? I've beaten all 3 games and the expansion on multiple chars. That avenue is lame and old now. I really don't give 2 shits about GW2. I don't ever trade with others(bickering with children is old before it starts). I have my "trophies"for UW, etc.... So what I normally do is sign in on my rit, or my monk, or my ele, etc.... and farm something easy like bergan to waste time. Unfortunately, my wife who doesn't play the game and never has, pointed out while watching me one evening that i had just killed my 27th enemy in HM and had only gotten like 6 drops total. Then she asked, isn't that just a waste? If LS was gone then at least it would have some sense of accomplishment to it. Tell me... What is the so called fun of 1/8-10 kill getting you a drop? It is pointless. And that is the problem.


^hardcore farmers love LS, it keeps them in business running COF HM runs, so they defend it not fight it.

That is your choice.

Then you shouldn't give two shits about HoM.

Again, your choice.

We'd also have the inflation come back, which is what anet wanted to remove from the start. The inflation, which would make it harder for true casual players to buy certain things. Which is where people start to contradict themselves.

Completely backwards. Hardcore farmers would be doing cartwheels in joy if LS was removed...


You can vanquish an area. Do a dungeon. Go for prot/guardian titles. Hell, I don't need to list the things you can do to have fun in GW...

Selfish is not wanting a bit of cash for ourselves without actually taking any from others - indeed giving them more cash. Selfish is YOU making it harder for US to get our elite armours just so YOU can by rare skin weapons from other players. Consider also that while it would cost more money to get weapons without loot scaling, you could get the cash just as easily.

GG.

LS does NOT make it harder for the casual player playing NORMALLY to get elite armors. With or without LS, playing in a team normally will get you roughly the same amount of loot and gold.

And have you not heard of inflation? Without LS, yes you can get gold more easily, but so can everyone else. So what happens? Gold value depreciates, so you have to use more gold to buy something.

Try again.

Which = gold being worth less. Which means more farming. Which casual players don't have time to do.

I reacted on that because not everyone with cash problems want everything for free. Sure, if I could work for cash I would. At this moment it's impossible to work for it, though. Cause wether you play alone or with heroes/henchies, it won't matter for your drops.

Well considering I only have about an hour to play every day... If I don't farm every second of that hour, I am lazy, right? I don't want everything handed to me, but it would sure be nice if I at least had the possibility of working towards stuff. And not like it is with the Loot Scaling. With that thing there I get 0 income except for the minimum stuff from doing stuff in a full team. At this rate I won't have my FoW armour in the next few years.

If you HAVE to farm for your cash, you should agree that the game becomes much better when it's easier. Instead of wasting all your time on farming, you could just farm a few minutes and then do cool stuff with your earned money when Loot Scaling is gone.

Only the casual players who have ALOT of time on their hands, and don't have anything to do in Guild Wars except for saving up cash for an FoW armour can afford it. Sure, it can't be done, but with the 500 gold a day I get these days, it will take a few years before I get my FoW armour.

I wonder how, as I don't want to spend all my time on Guild Wars killing monsters without a goal, and I also have to buy skills, ID Kits, Salvage Kits and other stuff like that.


The casual players are always forced to farm, with or without LS. Without Loot Scaling it just doesn't consume alot of time which allows players to do other stuff. Removing the Loot Scaling does not have any negative effect on the casual gamer. Only the hardcore farmers will see some negative results, but they can make 50K + per day, anyway.


Care to explain this? 1 Troll run in Normal Mode netted more than I can get in a day now. And as a said before, I don't expect to become rich or have my storage full with Platina. I just want to have the CHOICE to work for a bit of cash every now and then, and do other fun stuff beside the storyline.

Psst. If you never cared about the shinies in GW1, why the hell do you care what shinies you get because of the HoM in GW2?

And no, casual players aren't forced to farm anymore to keep up with a farmer's income. If a player only has one hour to play a day, they can spend it actually playing the game, the storyline, whatever they want, and know that they're getting about half of the money they could have gotten had they been farming, as opposed to an eighth of it. If you want to work for a little extra cash, you can still do that...it's just not as ridiculously better a way of earning money as it used to be.

(By the way, 1 old troll run > what you get in a day is laughable; you must really suck if you can't kill 8 times the number of trolls in that cave in a day).

Reetkever, I'm really curious how exactly you're spending that one hour a day if it only nets you 500 gold. I'm seriously having a hard time believing it.

The person that was directed at specifically said about giving him a full set of destroyer weaps because others can have them, and he wants them too. Which = wanting stuff for free because they dont "have the time" to work for it.


No, it does not mean you're lazy. And that wasn't really directed at you, but at the ones that have the means to get what they want, but just want to get it faster and easier.

You know, there are some quests that offer 2k rewards? Questing and doing missions can get you enough gold for skills and stuff you need.

But in the long run it does not become easier. Heavy farming = inflation. Which = the need to farm even more.

I've already given tons of ways you can make that few k a day you need. :/

I'm done, I had quit GW about a month ago (after a long update rant also). I will just stick with the world where at least when i kill something it gives me something.

Just a side thought, I wonder how many of the people here who defend LS did the "Mastercard farm" and now want to keep themselves shiny above others.Definately mister casual player over a million gold guy.

Obviously you don't understand the concept of an arguing point. I don't actually want the ugly d.weapons. I WANT LS gone. It was a sarcastic response to what others had said but you think you are Hillary Jr. and of course you fixated on the one unimportant part of that post. Get a clue, genius.

Ohhh, I see. But your followup posts, including that "land plot" gem, only emphasized it, and seemed to make it look otherwise.

I love how people resort to personal attacks when they get desperate. xD

But...

There wasn't anything else at all in that post...

That is a LIE. Elite armour, identification kits, lockpicks, salvage kits, consumables, crafted weapons... will remain the SAME PRICE! The ONLY thing that will alter is weapon mod prices (which you generally need to farm a bit to get anyways, so it doesn't matter), rune prices (same as mods), and the rare skin weapon economy, which I would be quite happy to see crashed and gone.

And no it isn't a lie. Inflation occurs. It has in the past, which is why Anet stopped it.

We can keep on arguing, (and the immatures can keep on flaming), but the bottom line is it's all pointless, lol. Anet is not gonna change anything. Period. They would not go back to what they saw as a problem.

Ah sorry, no offense, then :P

I know, but unfortunately I already did these quests and wasted the cash on something I forgot (Probably Lockpicks in a double chance for golds from a chest event).


There won't be a heavy inflation even with the LS. Before the LS was implented, the prices in Guild Wars already went down for a while. It's because the market got filled up with all sorts of items. Because items are created from nothing in Guild Wars, only more and more items engter the market. Prices will always go down - with or without Loot Scaling. As for the golden weapons - The market is already flooded with all sorts of weapons. Removing the Loot Scaling won't make the prices of these weapons go up now that they're so unwanted already... Unless A-Net implents another new skin, which should not be the case since the new weapons are already here and GW:EN is supposed to be the last game before GW2.

Unfortunately, I don't have enough time and equipment to become a Hardcore farmer.

I'm sorry, but I 100% disagree with this.

I do work, 5 days a week, sometimes 6. The minimum I play a day is 2-3 hours, max 5 (when I'm not working). I said this in another thread; I play for an hour in the morning, 30 mins to an hour during my lunch, and just a few in the evening before I turn in. During my morning hour, over my cups of coffee and watching the news, I do my farm runs. 2 areas, 15 minutes each, both of them twice. Just from those, I've earned myself 36 of the 75 ectos needed to purchase my chaos gloves.

My runs net me lots of gold items, lots of gold itself, plenty of purples, runes that can be sold, dyes, lockpicks, and tomes. Each run in each area nets me, on avg, 1.5K in gold alone. That might be chump change to someone else, but for 15 minutes of game time for me, it's plenty.

Out of the 4 total runs, gold + merch items, usually 10K on avg. That's in an hours time. It's enough for one ecto a day at high end of the trader prices. 2 if it's been down at 5K, or 4.8K a piece. If that's slow and painful for someone else, so be it. For me, each day just brings me closer. I'm used to chipping away at things to obtain.

It's no more "work" than spending the time needed to pass a mission. It's no more "fun" than slogging through Ring of Fire missions. One mans perception is not anothers.

It once again boils down to being lazy (yes I will use that word because I am a self supporting, working adult.) If one doesn't want to farm 100% of the time for the only hour they're on per day, then make your own time budget. Do it twice a week, or Alter days. Nothing in this game is impossible unless you're playing zero hours per day.

Yes, by the time I obtain my gloves, it will be over 2 months of 1 hour a day runs. That might be a lifetime to some, but that's an issue that must be resolved by the individual player. I, however, am perfectly fine, just taking my time in earning what I'm after. The item is not, by any means, out of reach. It is something I desire to obtain and I will earn it by my own means with the mechanics the game allows.

So is this thread atm
The more you post, the more you are talking about YOUR need of cash, not about GW itself.
Seriously, push Alt+F4 and buy and XboX

Btw, if you dont give a damn about GW2 and what you get from GW1 Titles and HoM, why buzzing around like a nuisance since you know that playing the game doesnt need more than a few ks ?

Bonus Note: Casual got stuff designed for this .. like Greens

Can we have a lock for this nonsensefest?

Does anyone on the anti-loot scaling side have an argument that isn't based on greed?

I'll post it one more time for those that still refuse to understand.

Anet meant for things to be this way. Loot scaling was implemented to stop the abuse of killing a mob over and over and merching the junk for gold. It was implemented to stop/slow the inflation. It achieved this. Why would they go back to something that they saw as a problem?

You can afford the basics. If you honestly can't, you need to rethink the way you play, as was proven by -Sonata-'s post.

If you yearn for FoW, Chaos Gloves, and uber gear, as well as a full HoM, you are either not a casual player, or again...need to rethink things.

There are still ways to earn gold. It is not impossible.

And for those that have still not seen this, here:


Anet removing loot scaling is about as likely as them allowing 7 heros.

And another thing to think about...if they removed LS, they would almost certainly re-impliment the kiting, skattering, "intelligent" anti-farming AI to the monsters. Then we'd have a thread like this one pop up for that, as well.

Yes, I argue that I want to be able to choose the specific armour I would like for my character without spending a disproportionate amount of time on it.

I'd like it best if everything was easily acquirable so people would use what looks good instead of what costs the most.

no offense but sounds like another "i want fow too pliz" post

Indeed. So does anyone on the anti-loot scaling side that isn't based on mere greed? I might even switch sides and defend that view if anyone has one.

Have you seen FoW? It looks terribly ugly. I'm currently gathering runes and insignia for my Mesmer's Canthan non-elite armour. A set that I like very much and that most people regard as 'noob' because of the current setup.

Now, my counter argument: Any anti-loot scaling people who aren't simply doing it to try to keep gold out of the hands of the common player while they sit on millions from power trading?

Wow. That idiotic desperate attempt to make everyone who is pro LS look like a gold buyer is pathetic.

This thread is ridiculous. The bulk of irrational and illogical posts by the anti LS crowd makes a clear case that LS should not be taken out.

What's the prob with armors if you dont want fow? ^^
The others are requiring to complete one campaign at worse.

I don't have millions and I never powertraded.

There's also Vabbian. Takes a bit more effort.

Is it possible for you to reword it so that it would be an actual statement and more clear to what you are saying? It is rather grammatical ambiguious, so I can't really come back with an argument without any assumptions, and that's not good.

Rubbies? u get some doing quests and you can salvage a couple if you're lucky.
You can make enough cash with NF/Eotn quests rewards and a couple of VQ.

VQ ?

But..but..those take like hours!
Obviously nothing for us casuals.

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:W/...emental_Farmer

Each runs take about 10 minutes. You get about 1.5k gold each run, along with Granites, and sometimes, you would find Rubies or Sapphrines.

I am getting tired of these "I am a casual player" arguments.

Hmm u dont have to VQ a whole campaign at once, Bunny Buddy, you can take breaks

@Divine: Ruby drops? I think you have more chance to salvage one

This may sound weird, but I did find 7 Rubies and 2 Sapphires from those runs, and two Rubies were dropped in the same run.

Ok... I believe that the majority of the people advocating loot scaling are either those who are already rich and want to keep themselves looking special compared to the average player, hence using Loot Scaling to keep the common player down; or people who use bots and so stand to benefit from Loot Scaling because Loot Scaling doesn't really inconvenience a bot but does greatly inconvenience a human farmer.

In that case, move on. Surely you got your $40-$50's worth out of playing each campaign/expansion content in that time so that you can put it away without feeling like you wasted your money?

Hell, the way things are going for me, I figure I'll have gotten more than my money's worth by the time I finish the storyline in Prophecies with my main character. Anything after that will be, as they say, just gravy. (Unlike, say, Half-Life 2 - played through once and it was such a mediocre experience that I couldn't even be bothered to play a second time. Oh, I've tried, but can't even make it to the fanboat before I get sick of it. Definitely a waste of $35.)

EDIT: Ah, I see from later on in the thread that you have. Yet you still come here and whine. Sad.