Should Lootscaling be removed after the new Rtm policy?

Increasing the supply will help more than LS ever did. Besides don´t forget there are none rare material needs and fixed price vanity items too, which are harder to get with LS.

The relative cost of "high-end" crap thats same as my forgotten sword but has a "better" skin will stay the same if LS is taken out. True those prices will raise but the set prices will stay the same, and casual players, by definition, don't care about high end stuff and just play to complete the game.

What are the odds of "completing" the game, ever, with LS? (getting all titles, filling HoM)
TH takes (using 600g keys) 6,000,000g to max
ST+Drunkard cost 100g per point so thats 1,000,000g to max
Skill Hunter costs ~285k to max (if you start buying sig caps while they are 10g or 100g whatever it starts at)

My point is how is a "casual player" supposed to raise 8,285,000 gold?? By definition they can't do FoW runs (I know I can't) and they don't have time to farm 24/7. Ahhh the answer www.247MMOgold.com

Bah to the whiners who want loot scaling removed. You get more than enough money through normal play to get what you need. Hell, not including the white dye I found, I made a bit over 5k after expenses just doing Sanctum Cay (twice since I overaggroed during the first try) and farting around in Prophet's Path and the Salt Flats collecting minotaur horns & jade mandibles (Krytan's butt-ugly, but it'll hold me 'til Drok's) and opening Augury Rock, Heroes' Audience and Seeker's Passage.

Frankly, I say keep loot scaling in. Those of us who don't care about solo farming get more than enough gold to get what we need, and those who want more will go and do what ANet obviously wants you to do: find a group and be social.

And maybe if ANet sticks to its guns on this it'll help drive away the weirdos who think that way you tell how good the economy is is by how many 0's they can tack onto the end of the prices of the things they want to sell.

Good point, except that collector weapons come fully modded. With 3 campaigns and an expansion to choose from, you'll find whatever you need easily enough. Getting the weapon is another issue, though, since LS eats the collectables

When my characters were young, poor and carefree collectors were an indispensable resource for gearing up and getting stuff done. These days I couldn't bother because of the invisible Stefan camping my party roster.

Collectors exist exactly so that those who don't want to pay through their nose for decent armor and weapons can get them. Loot scaling defused the entire idea.

I do that all the time, I chat to co-workers at work, I team up with other students at Uni to get work done and I go out of a Tuesday and Friday night and am very socialable in the student club or (if we have enough money) a club in Manchester.

Thats what some people need to remeber. GW's is a game. It shouldn't be a job, it shouldn't be a commitment, it should be something you can progress on with only a couple of hours a week. Sadly this is what GWs isn't. Remove LS and we have a game. Keep LS and GW stays a job/commitment/chore

I think he is correct. LS only serve to make Gold Seller more appealing, if anything it probably helped them out. If drops remain the same then the casual player will still resort to gold sellers if they wish to buy elite items.

I am not affect by LS because when farming I don't even pickup whites, I do pick up the occasional blue or purple, but mainly I am after rare drops which are not effected by loot scaling. I wonder if they are affected by the scaling system that takes affect when everything dies at one time.

How did everyone survive without LS?

1 nearly a year on and everyone is managing.

its grand now.

maybe a trial weekend?
like the HoH 6 man- 8 man thing..

worth ago + we'd se the effects

I'm not managing at all. I can barely buy ID kits, salvage kits and hero weapons - let alone the other cool stuff I could buy before loot scaling came.

Sure, most people might be able to buy their basic needs, but that's about it. Without Loot Scaling, everyone can do so much more - the things that are now too expensive become open for everyone.

Before Loot Scaling it was grand, now everyone is poor, the economy is ruined and there is no real reason to keep the scaling now that bots took a kick in the teeth.

I just noticed the thread title : Should Lootscaling be removed after the new Rtm policy?

Shouldn't it be RMT?

Not that it matters, just its taken 21pages for someone to mention it

Then you're doing something wrong.

Ha, go talk to all the people in high end. Or are your standards of what is rich that high? If so, you may need to rethink them. The economy is messed up, but it wasn't just bots that messed it up. Removing LS would further mess it up, unless they also reverted the rest of the game to how it was two years ago.

I'm just playing the game as 'casual players should play'.



The people in high end are most probably the people who had ecto's before the loot scaling kicked in. Remember that because of the Loot Scaling, the prices of everything went up alot. Ecto price went up like 2K in less than an hour (Exemption List fixed this and made the price go down again). People who had cash before the scale got way more richer after it.

There are also people who got stuff like rare mini-pets, which mean instant-rich for whoever gets one.


I can't see how playing the game can make one rich, cause one gets like 800 gold from doing a mission/some quests, and most of that is gone to ID Kits and Salvage Kits.

Solo farming is especially worthless now. Raptor runs only give like 1 Saurian Bone or one white Scythe per run. Of course, the first few runs there seem to be more drops, but I guess that's pure luck since A-net said they removed the farm-lock.

Don't forget that without LS essentials like crafting materials will be even cheaper for the average player because they will be more available.

I don't know that this is true since people are looking for gold vanity items (drops at least) which are not supposed to be affected by loot scaling.

I suspect they would rise in price - but that may be a good thing since prices on most rare skinned weapons have tanked, Other items, like minis, have either tanked or out of reach already anyway.

You're right about that, playing through the game normally won't make you rich. But it should give you money for most of the things you need.

Not multiple sets of armor or greens for your heroes. But most of the things you need.

To buy everything you need, you need to be rich. Skills for 1K each, heroes that need skills, weapons and sometimes runes, armor for your own characters etc.

well actually it's another "How i can get 1 million in a week" thread but camouflaged under RMT change

Collector armor, collector weapons ftw.

If you wanna be the leetpwnxor at PvE with all your leetpwnxor friends, then you may need a little more money up front. Otherwise you don't. You can get through the game with beginner skills if you want. You don't have to buy everything all at once.

Ever just use henchies? I did for all of Factions. Didn't have to buy them anything.

Ok, I have something to say. For the people who don't farm, most of you make your money by buying and selling things in the market. Such as ectos, armbraces, rare items, etc. For example, you buy something for 10k and sell it for 15k. You just made 5k. This is called merchanting.

Now, it's the people who farm that get you the items you want to buy and sell. If LS was removed, people would farm more often and you'd be able to buy and sell a whole lot more than you did before.

My point here is: Remove LS and it will benefit merchants(above) and the farmers.

/signed.

You can make 100k playing through the game. I've outfitted 10 heroes with money made from just playing the game. All heroes have golds/greens or collector items.

Warrior hero - Green sword from CoF = 1K
Shield purchased from NPC = 5k+materials (+30hp included -2stance inscription 1k)

Total price <10k

Heroes don't need multiple sets. Heroes don't need fancy armour, and sup vigors. Play them well and they can survive anything with basic equipment.

Just want to complete your reply: that you need ... for what exactly? For having fun? Everyone will see it differently, GW is at the crossroad of casual gamer who want to simply finish the campaigns, lore gamers who simply want to enjoy roaming around and discovering the tons of stories, economics gamers who want to be the bext buyer/seller, collectors who want all the skins and rare stuff, PvPers who want to kill people (while PvErs want to kill monsters ), etc.

I'm really trying to make sense of the answers given here, but it simply does not make sense overall. There are bits and pieces that are very relevant ,and then in the middle of those things that don't seem right to me. People make hypothetis about this aspect of the game and its economy, but disagree. This is alright since we can agree to disagree, but overall it seems that this debate is too opinionated. Everyone sees the situation "from its seat", meaning only mentioning the impact it'll have on their gameplay (well not everyone), and there's no way to get a clear picture.

I personally /unsign from my initial message, but I do not "/notsigned" because I'm not convinced.

I have nothing against farming, which I do very occasionally, but it's absolutely out of the question to suggest that it is a need in the game. It shouldn't. And every player should be able to get an elite armor (which they can, so we're all good) and possibly a few others (2? 3?), given the number that are offered. And possibly a few things to hang in their HoM, but nothing too fancy. And just so we're clear, it's also out of the question to make the game easier for the lower part of the game, GW has to be challenging, but not in the sense "you have to farm for it".

That's indeed a hot discussion going on here.
There are a lot of good arguments speaking for or against removing LS.
Now the only question remains:
Is Anet actually reading this topic and trying to think about a solution,
or are they just laughing at us and our constant battle of arguments?
*cough* *cough* Gaile? *cough* *cough*