Where are my cookies?
Seriously, there is NOTHING wrong with Expertise. It was already once nerfed, so it doesn't affect shouts, either from Paragon or Warrior.
Expertise
Abedeus
Randvek
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Originally Posted by Abedeus
Where are my cookies?
Seriously, there is NOTHING wrong with Expertise. It was already once nerfed, so it doesn't affect shouts, either from Paragon or Warrior. |
Wait, it was?
makosi
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Originally Posted by Randvek
Yeah, I suppose Rangers using shouts was a big problem.
Wait, it was? |
C R A F T
People who seriously play these games will always find good combos that work and spread the word.
You shouldn't penalize those players for using their imagination.
You shouldn't penalize those players for using their imagination.
Tyla
It was once imagination. Now it's peek at wiki, I bet (if there is a page) the new Sway page will have at least 5 billion views by now. 
Phoenix Tears
Expertise has not to be balance,d what needs to be changed to make the game more balanced is to allow all professions only to use certain Weapons, but not all.
Rangers yould be for example only be able to use Bows,Staffs, Swords and Daggers, but no Axes, Hammers, Scythes, Wands+Focus, Shields and Spears !!!
This Way, Anet would kill easily the Thumper, Escape Scythe and Pack Hunter (don't know this build yet, so no clue if it uses Spear or not, don't blame me XD) Build, without even touching the Expertise Attribute of Rangers.
Also the game would get then finally rid of lots of their Wannabe Profession Combos that look just terribly idiotic and unlogical.
Same then for the other professions, like Warriors being able to use only Swords, Axes, Hammers, Daggers & Short Bows, but no Scythe, Staffs, Wands+Focus and Spears
Caster Classes should be able to wear only their Staffs, Wands+Focus, and Daggers, but nothing else...
by this way would eliminate anet many totally unlogical Profession/Weapon combinations, where are also some under, which make the classes imba together with certain builds.
However, thats only my opinion. I think professions should be only able to use usual weapons those professions are really used to and that fit also to the profession.
Monks running around with Spears does absolutely not fit, Warriors running around with Magic Staffs also not, assassins/rangers with scythes is also a NO GO ect. pp.
GW's professions have imo too less attributes, this prob is one of the real bad sides of GW's 2 class system imo ...
Rangers yould be for example only be able to use Bows,Staffs, Swords and Daggers, but no Axes, Hammers, Scythes, Wands+Focus, Shields and Spears !!!
This Way, Anet would kill easily the Thumper, Escape Scythe and Pack Hunter (don't know this build yet, so no clue if it uses Spear or not, don't blame me XD) Build, without even touching the Expertise Attribute of Rangers.
Also the game would get then finally rid of lots of their Wannabe Profession Combos that look just terribly idiotic and unlogical.
Same then for the other professions, like Warriors being able to use only Swords, Axes, Hammers, Daggers & Short Bows, but no Scythe, Staffs, Wands+Focus and Spears
Caster Classes should be able to wear only their Staffs, Wands+Focus, and Daggers, but nothing else...
by this way would eliminate anet many totally unlogical Profession/Weapon combinations, where are also some under, which make the classes imba together with certain builds.
However, thats only my opinion. I think professions should be only able to use usual weapons those professions are really used to and that fit also to the profession.
Monks running around with Spears does absolutely not fit, Warriors running around with Magic Staffs also not, assassins/rangers with scythes is also a NO GO ect. pp.
GW's professions have imo too less attributes, this prob is one of the real bad sides of GW's 2 class system imo ...
Orange Milk
Bad post Pheonix Tears, bad post.
Yes lets mak it so Rangers can only use swords from the warior lins, but no Shields or off hands, I LOLED HEARTILY. You have no idea why Monks carry spears do you? nor do you have any idea what the Monk Sacrifices from a normal "wand+ Focus" set to carry the spear, nor have you ever heard of weapon swapping.
OMG NERF SYNERGY, DO IT!!!!!! nerf Creativity too while your at it.
I'm still loling at your post.
Still loling here too
Yes lets mak it so Rangers can only use swords from the warior lins, but no Shields or off hands, I LOLED HEARTILY. You have no idea why Monks carry spears do you? nor do you have any idea what the Monk Sacrifices from a normal "wand+ Focus" set to carry the spear, nor have you ever heard of weapon swapping.
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I'm still loling at your post.
Still loling here too
Kaida the Heartless
Seems to be the pve vs. pvp crowd again. sigh.
Just because Expertise may be getting affected, doesn't mean it has to be destroyed. Just lower the effectiveness of expertise when used with other classes' skills, it doesn't need to be killed entirely.
Just because Expertise may be getting affected, doesn't mean it has to be destroyed. Just lower the effectiveness of expertise when used with other classes' skills, it doesn't need to be killed entirely.
Tyla
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Originally Posted by Kaida the Heartless
Seems to be the pve vs. pvp crowd again. sigh.
Just because Expertise may be getting affected, doesn't mean it has to be destroyed. Just lower the effectiveness of expertise when used with other classes' skills, it doesn't need to be killed entirely. |
And with it's gimmicky side, you've got the primaries being better. Even though the secondary on the Ranger is abusing that primary regardless.
Who is it really going to effect other than people running junk builds that degenerate a form of PvP that was once high-end for fame?
viper11025
While ur at it make my attack skills cost less.
LoL
LoL
Skyy High
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You've got a point there, but I'm still going to disagree a bit. You've forgotten that your common Rush / Frenzy (ofcourse on a Warrior) also needs to know when to use those stances at the right times, and you've still got Bull's Strike, that can be used offensively and defensively.
Smart usage still promotes some decent play. But yeah, your point still stands on spamming D-Slash. However you've got RaO on your common Thumper, which is an unstrippable IAS / Speedboost with no significant bad point. That skill is pretty broken in itself. And needs no insight on when to use it, apart from times when your energy get low. |
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Originally Posted by Pyro Maniac
Of course it won't remove all button-mashing builds, however now you're saying: just because there are other dumb builds available, these ranger builds should exist too.
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Btw, ranger builds "abusing" expertise isn't what turned HA from "high end PvP" into a joke.
Pyro maniac
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I only say that because that's literally the only reason given as to why it should be nerfed. The build clearly isn't that OP-ed enough to warrant nerfing in this manner (not to mention the fact that making expertise only affect ranger skills won't hurt thumpers at all), as evidenced by the fact that it isn't used in GvG. It's currently just the the standard button-mashing build used in HA, and it's not like that's a new thing. Even if you think that these builds are OP-ed, your target should be RaO. Much easier, much quicker, much simpler, and it doesn't absolutely destroy the (clearly intentional) synergy between ranger primaries and physical profession secondaries.
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And thumper is used in GvG: ever heard of hero-way?
Sol Deathgard
people cried for iway to be nerfed for ever a few yrs ago, simply cause 90% of the teams in HA used it.
anet nerfed it, and then they cried for Bloodspike to be nerfed cause 90% of the teams in HA used it.
Anet nerfed it, then people cried for SF to be nerfed because 90% of the teams in HA used it.
Then people cried for Ritspike to be nerfed because 90% of the teams in HA used it.
Now people cry for Expertise to be nerfed cause 90% of the teams are Sway.
notice a pattern?
if Sway gets nerfed, that just means another easy to use build will come about & people will cry cause 90% of the teams in HA use it.
Wanna know the funny thing about all this?
ALL THESE BUILDS WHERE EASILY BEATEN BY GOOD PLAYERS WHILE THE POOR PLAYERS CAME HERE TO CRY FOR A NERF!!
anet nerfed it, and then they cried for Bloodspike to be nerfed cause 90% of the teams in HA used it.
Anet nerfed it, then people cried for SF to be nerfed because 90% of the teams in HA used it.
Then people cried for Ritspike to be nerfed because 90% of the teams in HA used it.
Now people cry for Expertise to be nerfed cause 90% of the teams are Sway.
notice a pattern?
if Sway gets nerfed, that just means another easy to use build will come about & people will cry cause 90% of the teams in HA use it.
Wanna know the funny thing about all this?
ALL THESE BUILDS WHERE EASILY BEATEN BY GOOD PLAYERS WHILE THE POOR PLAYERS CAME HERE TO CRY FOR A NERF!!
RedNova88
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Originally Posted by Sol Deathgard
people cried for iway to be nerfed for ever a few yrs ago, simply cause 90% of the teams in HA used it.
anet nerfed it, and then they cried for Bloodspike to be nerfed cause 90% of the teams in HA used it. Anet nerfed it, then people cried for SF to be nerfed because 90% of the teams in HA used it. Then people cried for Ritspike to be nerfed because 90% of the teams in HA used it. Now people cry for Expertise to be nerfed cause 90% of the teams are Sway. notice a pattern? if Sway gets nerfed, that just means another easy to use build will come about & people will cry cause 90% of the teams in HA use it. Wanna know the funny thing about all this? ALL THESE BUILDS WHERE EASILY BEATEN BY GOOD PLAYERS WHILE THE POOR PLAYERS CAME HERE TO CRY FOR A NERF!! |
And as a wise man once said a very, very, very long time ago. It's fine, learn to play.
Kaida the Heartless
Nerfing isn't about winning and losing, it's about how easy it is. It's wrong for someone to spend a year learning to become a pro warrior when some ranger that snagged the build from obs mode runs up and tears them apart simply because the build is that much easier to use.
Then you have the player that learns to use the easy build really well, and because it's much easier, the potential to become much more destructive is there.
Are ya following me?
Edit: Also, yes there is a counter to everything, but it's hard to build against a class that is R/RandomClassAssignment. Besides, this is Guildwars and not Buildwars, no?
Then you have the player that learns to use the easy build really well, and because it's much easier, the potential to become much more destructive is there.
Are ya following me?
Edit: Also, yes there is a counter to everything, but it's hard to build against a class that is R/RandomClassAssignment. Besides, this is Guildwars and not Buildwars, no?
stale
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Originally Posted by Sol Deathgard
people cried for iway to be nerfed for ever a few yrs ago, simply cause 90% of the teams in HA used it.
anet nerfed it, and then they cried for Bloodspike to be nerfed cause 90% of the teams in HA used it. Anet nerfed it, then people cried for SF to be nerfed because 90% of the teams in HA used it. Then people cried for Ritspike to be nerfed because 90% of the teams in HA used it. Now people cry for Expertise to be nerfed cause 90% of the teams are Sway. notice a pattern? if Sway gets nerfed, that just means another easy to use build will come about & people will cry cause 90% of the teams in HA use it. Wanna know the funny thing about all this? ALL THESE BUILDS WHERE EASILY BEATEN BY GOOD PLAYERS WHILE THE POOR PLAYERS CAME HERE TO CRY FOR A NERF!! |
honestly, if folks would use a balanced skill bar, with their attack skills, some kind of snare/knockdown/interrupt (utility ftw, eh?) a self heal and a res, this wouldn't be an issue. what it comes down to is all the whiners who are unwilling, or lack the foresight, to bring a utility skill or two in their "perfect" builds, and get themselves thumped.
and, for the reply that's coming (a 1,2,3,4 button masher takes no skill) tough. with the exception of mes, monk and necro, all the builds in the game come down to button mashing - all you have to do is know when to hit the button.
not one of the R/?? builds is all that overpowered, and if you don't like the idea of the builds, don't use them. and for the gods sake, bring something to counter them, if they bother you so much.
oh, and deathguard, you left out the recurring paragon nerfs, and the soul reaping nerfs, and i'm sure others that came from the whinefests.
don't fix what's not broken, eh?
Phoenix Tears
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Bad post Pheonix Tears, bad post.
Yes lets mak it so Rangers can only use swords from the warior lins, but no Shields or off hands, I LOLED HEARTILY. You have no idea why Monks carry spears do you? nor do you have any idea what the Monk Sacrifices from a normal "wand+ Focus" set to carry the spear, nor have you ever heard of weapon swapping. OMG NERF SYNERGY, DO IT!!!!!! nerf Creativity too while your at it. I'm still loling at your post. Still loling here too |
Your only one of the massive load of players, which players every shit, as long its only powerful and has somehow a good synergy.
But it it makes anyhow sense and looks logical, you absolutely don't care about and thats the point, that makes us both different.
I find Monks with spears not logical, the spear is no monk weapon and was never, so why should they be able to use it.
This is as terrible unlogical, like Warrioers runnign aroudn with "Magic Staffs"
I don't have to play such idiocy, to know, why Monks runs around with spears, because with Caster Mod the loss of Energy is not so big, Spears do more damage than Staffs and its one of 2 only ranged ways for them to deal physical damage, instead of ever elemental ones with their staffs/wands.
The rest is explainable through any synergy through skill builds
However, stop these silly assumings, when you absolutely don't know me
I can only lol at you for being one of those people, which play every shit, as long its only powerful. When this is your way of playing, games like WoW or cheap F2P MMO's or so i think are better for you. Games, where you absolutely don''t have to await 0% logical thinking, where everythign and everyone thinks only about to have more Power...Power! ...POWER!...POWEEEERRRRR!!
N1ghtstalker
making people unable to use other kinds of weapons would be insane to do
you gonna prevent 55 monks to stop using swords or spears for their enchants?
no, let everyone use their weapons as they want it
after skills now even the versitality and creativity has to be nerfed
lets all play a boring RPG game on PS2 then where you can only use that what they give you and nothing else ffs...
you gonna prevent 55 monks to stop using swords or spears for their enchants?
no, let everyone use their weapons as they want it
after skills now even the versitality and creativity has to be nerfed
lets all play a boring RPG game on PS2 then where you can only use that what they give you and nothing else ffs...
quickmonty
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Also, about the monks with spears. I think you are being really myopic and thinking only of christian monks. Shaolin monks train with all types of weapons, including spears.
Please, stop with the stereotyping and open your mind.
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Aload of jibberish
ALL THESE BUILDS WHERE EASILY BEATEN BY GOOD PLAYERS WHILE THE POOR PLAYERS CAME HERE TO CRY FOR A NERF!! |
The point here, is that it doesn't matter if these scrub builds can be beaten by good players. They are still effective in a shit player's hands and get him the reward of a title and emote.
That is wrong.
Tyla
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Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears
I find Monks with spears not logical, the spear is no monk weapon and was never, so why should they be able to use it.
This is as terrible unlogical, like Warrioers runnign aroudn with "Magic Staffs" |
This isn't about logic, this is about killing builds that deserve to be nerfed because of degenerate play.
Besides, Spears are used on Monks for the same reason Swords and Axes are. They give +30hp, and +5E / -5E.
Phoenix Tears
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Originally Posted by tyla salanari
Yeah, and "naga" are logical?
This isn't about logic, this is about killing builds that deserve to be nerfed because of degenerate play. Besides, Spears are used on Monks for the same reason Swords and Axes are. They give +30hp, and +5E / -5E. |
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So, according to you, my necro can't use a longbow to pull mobs when I H/H? Totally stupid!
Also, about the monks with spears. I think you are being really myopic and thinking only of christian monks. Shaolin monks train with all types of weapons, including spears. Please, stop with the stereotyping and open your mind. |
Poorly we can't tell our heroes, which foes they should target to lure them...
Problem would be simply solve, when there would exist a way to tell our hero rangers exactly, which target they should attack to lure them carefully.
That system really needs improvement for GW2, when we run around later then with "Companions".
Maybe its one of the Weapons, Shaolins use, but not one of their most traditional. Tghe sterotype of the Shaolin still fights either only barehanded (gloves/claws/gauntlets) or with a bo-staff (long pole staff) or with Nunchakus (a.k.a. 3 Segment-Staff), these are the most traditional fight styles Shaolins are known for in their Kung Fu.
All I was about is the point, that Expertise needs not to get nerfed, when those problematic builds could be easily stopped, by simple giving all professions only a set amount of certain Weapons, they are able to use.
this would decrease the versatility yes, but also a bit more the logical aspect of this fantasy game and it would be balance wise the absolute most easiest solution to do this, because once done, there will be no need later, to try to balance on the problem further, because the decision will have no negative side effects, like you will eventually get the, when anet instead would try to doctor on the Expertise Attribute >.>
Pyro maniac
@Phoenix Tears
lolwut?
lolwut?
valence
Don't nerf 'cause I like it to walk around with big two handed weapons doing damage for 4 energy!
Nerf expertise 'cause scythe attacks arent meant to be 4 energy!
Also some lotr craptalk.
In case people start reading here, I summarized 14 pages. You're welcome.
Nerf expertise 'cause scythe attacks arent meant to be 4 energy!
Also some lotr craptalk.
In case people start reading here, I summarized 14 pages. You're welcome.
jhu
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@Phoenix Tears
lolwut? |
Orange Milk
Pheonix your english is very poor
And your ideas are even worse than your english.
Also can we ban the word "Degenerate" from this thread from now on?
That way tyla salanari has to stop posting cause thats all he can ever seem to say is that word and nothing else worth reading.
So run the counter to it, now it's no longer effective, it dies and goes away, the shit player gets not title and no emote. Thats the whole issue here, instead of taking the time to counter it, people just hit their "easy button" and keep running hte same shit, then come here and complain that "Sway is all I see"
And your ideas are even worse than your english.
Also can we ban the word "Degenerate" from this thread from now on?
That way tyla salanari has to stop posting cause thats all he can ever seem to say is that word and nothing else worth reading.
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Tyla
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Also can we ban the word "Degenerate" from this thread from now on?
That way tyla salanari has to stop posting cause thats all he can ever seem to say is that word and nothing else worth reading. So run the counter to it, now it's no longer effective, it dies and goes away, the shit player gets not title and no emote. Thats the whole issue here, instead of taking the time to counter it, people just hit their "easy button" and keep running hte same shit, then come here and complain that "Sway is all I see" |
Saying "run a counter" is like saying we should all run AoM Dervs in GvG, HA or whatever just because there is blind...
Maybe I should just spam the word "degenerate" into multiple posts until you get the message that these builds are so easily ran. Degenerate play = degenerate the game.
Dru Stratas
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Pheonix your english is very poor
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And Phoenix, Im not sure I like the idea of setting weapons for the classes that are "supposed to use them", I mean it wouldnt upset too much, other than the masses of monks that bought Voltiac Spears, or any other caster that splashed out on an expensive weapon
But, main subject now, I dont play loads of pvp because I enjoy pve more, so it wouldn't really bother me if expertise only affected ranger skills, but I can see how that would be damaging in pvp, so I feel it should be left alone.
Pyro maniac
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Originally Posted by Orange Milk
So run the counter to it, now it's no longer effective, it dies and goes away, the shit player gets not title and no emote. Thats the whole issue here, instead of taking the time to counter it, people just hit their "easy button" and keep running hte same shit, then come here and complain that "Sway is all I see"
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HawkofStorms
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@Phoenix Tears
lolwut? |
Typical, random, 8 paragraph long post that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Kaida the Heartless
The third vote option should be removed to get accurate results.
Clarissa F
Crying from people who got owned by a Ranger?
As was said before, Soul Reaping is way more imbalanced than Expertise. I notice you don't cry about that, though. Where would the button-mashing SS builds be without it?
Compared to other classes, I think Expertise is very balanced. Soul Reaping and Energy Storage alone own it. So a ranger can carry a hammer or be an EDA blindbot: so what? Do you want to stop sins from wielding scythes? I don't hear too many tears falling about that.
Considering all the ranger secondary uses you mentioned are either easily countered or ridiculous(spirit spammer?), the only problem seems to be that someones aesthetic tastes are piqued. There are plenty of other class abuses that can be listed other than ranger. Hell, Let's nerf Soul Reaping to hell and let the necros see what it's like to be a mesmer.
As was said before, Soul Reaping is way more imbalanced than Expertise. I notice you don't cry about that, though. Where would the button-mashing SS builds be without it?
Compared to other classes, I think Expertise is very balanced. Soul Reaping and Energy Storage alone own it. So a ranger can carry a hammer or be an EDA blindbot: so what? Do you want to stop sins from wielding scythes? I don't hear too many tears falling about that.
Considering all the ranger secondary uses you mentioned are either easily countered or ridiculous(spirit spammer?), the only problem seems to be that someones aesthetic tastes are piqued. There are plenty of other class abuses that can be listed other than ranger. Hell, Let's nerf Soul Reaping to hell and let the necros see what it's like to be a mesmer.
Tyla
I stopped reading your post after you mentioned that Energy Storage and Soul Reaping own Expertise.
And at the "Hell, Let's nerf Soul Reaping to hell and let the necros see what it's like to be a mesmer.", are you playing PvE by any chance? Because Mesmers are extremely strong.
And at the "Hell, Let's nerf Soul Reaping to hell and let the necros see what it's like to be a mesmer.", are you playing PvE by any chance? Because Mesmers are extremely strong.
~ Dan ~
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So run the counter to it, now it's no longer effective, it dies and goes away, the shit player gets not title and no emote. Thats the whole issue here, instead of taking the time to counter it, people just hit their "easy button" and keep running hte same shit, then come here and complain that "Sway is all I see"
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Oh, and sadly those percentages are nowhere near accurate due to the inflation of PvE players in HA.
Dru Stratas
As was said previous regarding Energy Storage; spells such as Rodgorts Invocation costing 25 energy, kinda drain a little. Even with attunements.
And with other builds; starter elementalists perhaps, the extra point in energy storage makes all the difference- sorry for being off topic
I see no reason for Necromancers, or Elementalists having their abilities changed.
And with other builds; starter elementalists perhaps, the extra point in energy storage makes all the difference- sorry for being off topic
I see no reason for Necromancers, or Elementalists having their abilities changed.
Clarissa F
First: at 12 ES, an ele gets 36 extra energy on their bar. Add runes and the average ele has over 80 E. Throw in attunements and they have no problem with energy. An average necro will start out with 45-50 energy. Soul Reaping at 12 gives 12 E per non-spirit death(and non-minion). Expertise at 12 halves cost of skills, making a 25 e skill cost 13 e. The average rangerr starts out with 33-35 e. The sin has the perpetual energy machine of Critical strikes. The imbagon has 6 e at 12 Leadership for every ally affected by a shout or chant. All, of course, can be countered by one good hexer/interrupter.
My point is NOT to nerf SR! My point is that if you are going to kill Expertise, there are other professions whose primary attribute is just as good for giving energy, whether in one pop or as a high level to start out. There is no reason for any of them to be nerfed. If you can't handle the energy, you are playing crap. If you are running Rodgort's Invocation without Dual attunement, you are mistaken, so don't use that fallacy to argue eles energy sucks.
As to mesmer, I play both sides, so I do see the awesomeness in PvP, as well as how good they can be in PvE. I'm just saying that if you take down SR, you would be close to a mesmer without Fast Casting, not that a mesmer is that bad.
My point is NOT to nerf SR! My point is that if you are going to kill Expertise, there are other professions whose primary attribute is just as good for giving energy, whether in one pop or as a high level to start out. There is no reason for any of them to be nerfed. If you can't handle the energy, you are playing crap. If you are running Rodgort's Invocation without Dual attunement, you are mistaken, so don't use that fallacy to argue eles energy sucks.
As to mesmer, I play both sides, so I do see the awesomeness in PvP, as well as how good they can be in PvE. I'm just saying that if you take down SR, you would be close to a mesmer without Fast Casting, not that a mesmer is that bad.
yum
Oh dear, from expertise, ppl are on SR, FS and ES now
What's next? China?
What's next? China?
Master Ketsu
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So? That means these people can roll over all the other average players despite being crap themselves?
The point here, is that it doesn't matter if these scrub builds can be beaten by good players. They are still effective in a shit player's hands and get him the reward of a title and emote. That is wrong. |
Nerfing scrub builds because other scrub builds get milled by it solves nothing, and only makes the matter worse for those up top since then they would have to deal with a nerf that was done with lower standards in mind.
~ Dan ~
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Nerfing scrub builds because other scrub builds get milled by it solves nothing, and only makes the matter worse for those up top since then they would have to deal with a nerf that was done with lower standards in mind.
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FlamingMetroid
Expertise is fine, give it more versatility imo