[Dev Update] Skill Balancing PvE and PvP Seperately - 09 May 2008

Ursan is the fastest and most brainless way of doing so, hence why everyone uses it.

So when will this be going down?

It's not difficult at all, it's just why continue pissing in one basket, and making the apples and oranges both taste bad.

About time they started doing things like this.

Seems to be the final nail in the coffin for the game that was once Guild Wars. Any remaining resemblance to the game that some us paid for over 3 years ago is purely cosmetic now. Beta-testing this crap for GW2 in what is completely different game, a game that people paid good money to play the way it was, shows exactly how little Anet thinks of their past customers and only focuses on their own greed.

I hope anyone who gives Anet one more cent of their money enjoys wasting it, because anything you buy will just be changed beyond recognition within 3 years time anyway.

Everyone does NOT use it!
Or are you just incapable of reading what others have clearly posted?

Go to ToA right now and count the number of Ursan groups. Count the number of non-Ursan groups. Then report back here.

Just because there are people who don't use Ursan doesn't mean that there are a TON of people who do.

Fine then, alot of people use it.

If you don't believe me zone to ToA or wherether. Ursan lfg everywhere.

Just because a ton of people in one place use it doesn't mean people everywhere use it.

And as for the original topic, they should have done this loooooooooong ago.

MAHAHA SPLINTER DESTRUCTION HERE I COME ^^. Nice going a-net

Better late than never. Good job, Anet.

Do you not know the meaning of the word EVERYONE? If just one person doesnt' use it than the statement is false, and a lot more than one do not use it. Troll elsewhere.

EDIT: Just went to ToA on your suggestion. About half the groups forming were NON Ursan.

Guess what? Anet's trying way to hard to please ppl!

Thanks anet

Exactly. Thank you and thank you Anet.

I believe that is what they are attempting although I maybe wrong.We will have to wait and see.

At this point it is really too late. Oh well better late than never

That.

Apparently it was just fine pre-Factions...

I cried when I heard about this.

edit: I didn't really cry. Only wussies like Racktoe would.

Now that we'll be having more overpowered skills, ANet should finally kill ursan. I'd rather have a bunch of overpowered skills than one super overpowered skill that lets any player clear any location.

if they don't kill ursan, this is wasted effort, because a majorty of PvErs are still going to be running ursan.

IS it sad if I don't even have ursan unlocked on my account? XD


Dunno how this will work out...... but I gotta say thatt awesome splinter rt/r barrage farm was cool. I hope it comes back :F

Maybe you're right about it being a little misleading.

But about the edit: Screenshot or it didn't happen.

Let's try and keep things back on topic anyhow.

It was a bad idea when it was first suggested and its a bad idea now. PvE relies on pvp to keep skill power levels in check. We're going to end up with broken PvE with countless "I win" buttons rather than just the 5-6 "I win" buttons we currently have.

All the existing separation in the form of PvE skills and Consumables should have been removed instead.

it widened with luxon/kurzick skills, then sunspear skills, then eotn as a whole. Now it is a canyon not a simple line.

P.S. if the PVE skillset is different keep in mind the same skills players use in PVE the MOBS USE also.

Oh well. More opportunity to show who gets Anet attention, that whining works, who whines, etc.

Yay for easier PVE titles.

Yay. PVE pugs can LOD their ursans now!

Jk, this is a great idea! Late maybe, but better than never.

I would be ever so pleased if all my skills were reverted back to their original form...and the mobs I fight have the same level playing field...like the old days.
THAT is what made the game exciting for me.

It's about time.

Using skills balanced for PvE won't work for PvP and same goes for using skills balanced for PvP won't work for PvE. They are fundamentally entirely different games. Unless the game only has one PvPvE mode to balance to, balancing one and expect it to work at the other is just asking for disaster.

It's seriously disconcerning when enemy mobs suddently out of no reason start using skills at ZERO attribute thanks to the skill changes, or that time even a mission BOSS like Drought got nerfed to a PUSHOVER in one night thanks to the pvp whining.

Well, with this hopefully the game can finally be reverted back to the way it was actually designed.

I'm so motherRED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing tierd of all these shots and generalities aimed at those who play pve. Everyone uses the whining whammo as a generality of all pve players, and that is complete bull. People don't quit over skill nerfs, and people ddidn't pay less money when *insert random nerf here* got smacked. I've played on both sides of this game (currently pveing however), and this annimosity towards those who CHOOSE A DIFFERENT GAME MODE THAN YOU is making my gaming less enjoyable.



so in conclusion, STFU whiners on both sides, and lets just play what we want to play and get along.

It is sooo late in the games evolution that it hardly matters anymore in my opinion (aka. overpowered pve-only skills / no balance system for consumables).

I think it is more a test run for GW2 then anything else.

I am playing PvE and PvP and I am concerned ... we'll see how 'hard' it will be in the end to keep track.

I am curious.

I've never been able to figure out Anet's various strategies.

I thought the entire point of PvE skills was to prevent PvP skill nerfs from unduly affecting the casual crowd's ability to enjoy the game with overpowered skills. Ditto with consumables. What, then, is the point of now separating PvP and PvE skill balance?

It seems to me that the solution should be one or the other, not one and the other.

Cause they try to listen to everyone. They try to please everyone.

But they are bad with implementations and generally please nobody.

Oh and the community is hostile as hell.

So you end up with a cycle of disappointment.

Because there is still a very large group of players that want the 'old ways' of REAL proffesion skills over PvE (faction based) 'skills'.

Yes, there are still players that play the game without 'imba buffs'.

As long as the majority are happy (pve-ers) then it doesn't matter about the minority disappointment. We've needed this separation for a long time. Persistance does payoff sometimes. But, I don't think it will work for the 7 heroes debate.

I agree.

This is a test for GW2. Same as the EotN thing that makes you lvl 20 but not.

I think its just different ideas that they have for GW2 and they want to see how they'll work out. We're like alpha testing GW2 ideas kind of.

Welp here is my opinion on that. Everybody paid THIER money to play the game and I think EVERYBODY should be able to get to ALL PARTS of the game no matter what it takes for them to get there. Challenge isn't an issue as you can create your own challenge individually. Challenge shouldn't be something that is "forced" on every player, team, group or whatever. If they want to use URSANS and whatever else that's great I'm all for it. It doesn't effect MY GAME PLAY at all. As far as challenge I can take 7 henchies only and find all the challenge I want in hard mode.

It's just a perspective thing, but, the way one person plays or finds challenge doesn't mean every other person should have to play that way either. There are too many options. Find a guild, get some friends play solo or QUIT. No one is forcing anyone to continue to play this game if they can't find any challenge. I personally find my challenge playing PVP, I play PVE for FUN as that is what it's intended to be played for FUN & ENTERTAINMENT....but, some want total challenge, well play hard mode solo and I mean solo by yourself and see how far you can get before you die.

There's plenty of challenge left in GW's without taking away things that make the game fun for others like Ursans Blessing. Mainly I think most people gripe just to hear themselves gripe and hope Anet changes things that pisses people off. I see it too much everyday here and heck I have to include myself cause there's some things I want to see in GW2 that I know several people can't stand, but, welp everyone is different and it's like a boxing match, sticking and moving and hoping Anet listens to me before they listen to others. Just human nature and life really.

I will always be for the little guy who can only play an hour or so. I've always questioned every mmorpg (and left them) because they didn't make them EASIER to at least solo and get to the phatt loot content. Everyone paid their $50 or whatever and everyone deserves to get there by more means than elitist grouping types. I'm even more for total solo which GW2 pledges to be. No one should be forced to group and no one should have to play against the challenge level beyond rediculous as I see from some who play this game too much.

Red Sonya, while I understand your perspective... this doesn't make for a good game. If everything can be obtained in only playing an hour or so a day/week/whatever then what appeal does that have for anyone else who actually wants to play the game more??? There's just no way to make something easily obtainable while still maintaining a playerbase that keeps the game running. And this is a massive multi-player online game. There are plenty of games out there that are solo... MMOG's are community driven by their nature. Which means interacting and actually grouping. This is a genre of games, there are plenty of other genre's out there from strategy to FPS that appeal to the solo player. MMOG's are not solo games.

do u not know the meaning of the word exaggeration?

obviously not 'everyone' uses it...
do lvl 6s use it? no
do pvp'rs who dun pve use it? no
do ppl who dun even own eotn use it? no

but 'everyone' uses it

This is I <3 Inde.
Inde knows how to build up an argumentation, with words the 1337-speaker has no clue about.
Such a rare quality unfortunately.

Quite pleased with this solution. Now just give me back my minion army and I'll give you a cookie A-Net.

actually theres plenty of reason to keep playing a game
good gameplay and playin wit other ppl bein 2 of the better reasons

unfortunately, the reason that u mention that makes ppl want to play more,
is far from a good reason
when titles first came out, i was like yay sumptin to work towards
until i found myself getting titles jus for the sake of getting em
it became boring and tiresome

sure u feel good once u achieve it or obtain it
but y cant u feel good by havin a fun time playin all the time?
(not jus after u achieve sumptin big)

im not sayin that there shouldnt be a challenge
but the challenge needs to be fun, not a grind
grinding is nuthin more than the "nicotine" or "crack" of gaming