well, just tried farming tombs (only terrorwebs and banished dream riders) using my sliver armor build, it doesn't affect me except with the time, it slows down the run by about 5 mins but I tend to be paitent when farming so I dont mind
I even just got my first ecto since the nerf ^_^ but too many people used SF to farm lots of ectos quickly, they wont go for the tombs "slow" approach...well not many people will at least
[Dev Update] Shadow Form Balance Changes - 2 July 2008
Stuart444
MisterT69
This really sucks, SF has been nerfed everywhere, so even the raptors are now a challenge. *Dusts off 55* O well, I hope the smites missed me.
Icy The Mage
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As long as I can still kill my raptors, I couldn't care less about Underworld.
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Kinn
I'll say again, but this is a very good change to SF as it does not rape SF's ability to be used as a defensive tool, which is what it is meant for.
Anyone whining about how it negatively impacts their ability to farm massive amounts of loot can shut up.
Anyone whining about how it negatively impacts their ability to farm massive amounts of loot can shut up.
Bug John
that means less farmers in plains and ecto price going up 
after two sets of fow and a few tormented weapons I was really unable to use my permasin in uw anymore
after two sets of fow and a few tormented weapons I was really unable to use my permasin in uw anymore
Nadia Roark
All I can say is after watching ANet wage war against Monks for the duration of Factions, it's nice to see another class get hit with a farming nerf (although mostly what I was upset about had more to do with pvp balance; I never was much of a farmer). Yeah, its blatant Schadenfreude, but I'm allowed to be bitter dammit 
toastgodsupreme
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That's funny, because sins are actually quite good in general PvE.
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One of the many reasons I refuse to make a monk that isn't a PvP only monk.
I like my sin, had it for about a week and a half and it's fun in many ways.
leeky baby
was just about to buy 100 ectos but thoguth id do it after wahthcing tv >.> lol
tenetke
For all those assassins who managed to acquire at least one stack this update is a godsend. I'm sitting on, well, quite a few ectos. So once prices go up, well time to get really rich.
I am not complaining, just saying there was no real way to avoid this problem. I still think Zkeys are the best farming/time period.
I am not complaining, just saying there was no real way to avoid this problem. I still think Zkeys are the best farming/time period.
TwinRaven
Aw, crap! I just spent the last couple of days making mt first permaSF sin because I thought ANet was gonna ignore it...pffft...*deletes toon*
Accursed
Well it's about time this happened. If they waited anytime longer than this whole game would go under a huge economic crash, and that wouldn't be pretty.
Willow O Whisper
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I'll say again, but this is a very good change to SF as it does not rape SF's ability to be used as a defensive tool, which is what it is meant for.
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Lest121
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cant kill Scar Eater with my ele now... bb elite tomes too ....
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Rhamia Darigaz
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Hmmm Signet of Disenchantment is a Factions skill; this is the first time that they've broken tradition and given a later Chapter skill to Proph mobs - must have been desperate
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Defensive? this spell will never be definsive and never was. Who would use a spell that reduces your life to 40? For defense Feigned Neutrality will always be superior to this....
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about the 40 life when it ends thing...people avoid that, its not a factor in perma sf builds. even if they didn't keep it up permanently, how would the 40 life when it ends clause make the skill offensive rather than defensive?
Yang Whirlwind
We all saw this one coming, what we did not anticipate was the time they apparently needed to figure out how to deal with the problem ... maybe all the devs were on vacation or something?
------ good update!
------ good update!
Hyper Cutter
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Well it's about time this happened. If they waited anytime longer than this whole game would go under a huge economic crash, and that wouldn't be pretty.
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Silent Deathman
Ah So A-Net now listens to Whiners Crying, about SF. Oh STop the assassin who have SF!! ITs un-fair Quit your whining we had the good build. Everyone has their own Type of FArming build it varies so honestly people who sat there and Whined Cheers ya Big Babies. And Congrats we can still farm and still plan on it. All i gotta do is sit there and farm the first level of Topks Dryders and i just did got 3 ecto's So My ectos arn't even affected GG A-net.
Tyla
Well they didn't completely kill godmode, but they did a good job of half killing it.
A step in the right direction. Pat yourselves on the back and keep walking that way.
A step in the right direction. Pat yourselves on the back and keep walking that way.
Nadia Roark
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Ah So A-Net now listens to Whiners Crying, about SF. Oh STop the assassin who have SF!! ITs un-fair Quit your whining we had the good build. Everyone has their own Type of FArming build it varies so honestly people who sat there and Whined Cheers ya Big Babies. And Congrats we can still farm and still plan on it. All i gotta do is sit there and farm the first level of Topks Dryders and i just did got 3 ecto's So My ectos arn't even affected GG A-net.
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How anyone can defend SF is beyond me. It's the most blatant God Mode On Button I've ever seen in any game--except the immortal iddqd. But come on, SF was at least an idspispod, which is damn close. Had no place in the game the way it was, IMO. How it even made it out of playtesting without someone scratching their head and saying "this is a little ridiculous..." is beyond me.
Improvavel
Ok so a change to economy wars. Pitty I play guild wars...
cgruber
lol those people stock piling sup shadow arts runes must be sooo pissed.
Gregslot
I find it rather offensive if not insulting they manually change the ecto prices. It took 4 weeks to go from 5,5k to 3,7k, now with a blink of eyes they were back at 5,5.
And no, dont send me that crap of "the players marketing bla bla bla" becuase there was no way they would jump that much so fast.
I aslo find ridiculous, because of what said before, how they bennefit one minority of players who has been saving ectos from the very beggining (aka rich people).
At the same time they launched the update, i went to the material trader to see the price of ectos and they were already 5,5k. There is no doubt they manually changed its price. Now THIS is an absurd and offensive to all players seeing how they only manually "fix" the "economy" for the rich people.
And no, dont send me that crap of "the players marketing bla bla bla" becuase there was no way they would jump that much so fast.
I aslo find ridiculous, because of what said before, how they bennefit one minority of players who has been saving ectos from the very beggining (aka rich people).
At the same time they launched the update, i went to the material trader to see the price of ectos and they were already 5,5k. There is no doubt they manually changed its price. Now THIS is an absurd and offensive to all players seeing how they only manually "fix" the "economy" for the rich people.
Silent Deathman
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How anyone can defend SF is beyond me. It's the most blatant God Mode On Button I've ever seen in any game--except the immortal iddqd. But come on, SF was at least an idspispod, which is damn close. Had no place in the game the way it was, IMO. How it even made it out of playtesting without someone scratching their head and saying "this is a little ridiculous..." is beyond me. |
Improvavel
As if anyone cared about what armor or weapons we are using
Panais
the time it takes should stay about the same since u are only killing less riders. just every 20-25 mins u will get 2-3ectos instead of 6-7.
so it will take u double the time to get a stack of ectos, but u are still going to do it faster than anything else. This will lead to the ectos leveling off to 3.8-4k as average prices. Damage done. Move on, just a game at the end of the day
so it will take u double the time to get a stack of ectos, but u are still going to do it faster than anything else. This will lead to the ectos leveling off to 3.8-4k as average prices. Damage done. Move on, just a game at the end of the day
Nadia Roark
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Why? I made more (alot more actually) then enough to compensate for the time spent making the assassin.
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Rhamia Darigaz
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I find it rather offensive if not insulting they manually change the ecto prices. It took 4 weeks to go from 5,5k to 3,7k, now with a blink of eyes they were back at 5,5.
And no, dont send me that crap of "the players marketing bla bla bla" becuase there was no way they would jump that much so fast. I aslo find ridiculous, because of what said before, how they bennefit one minority of players who has been saving ectos from the very beggining (aka rich people). At the same time they launched the update, i went to the material trader to see the price of ectos and they were already 5,5k. There is no doubt they manually changed its price. Now THIS is an absurd and offensive to all players seeing how they only manually "fix" the "economy" for the rich people. |
Feanixxx
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hate to break it to you but UW mobs are core, not prophecies
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Ate of DK
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the time it takes should stay about the same since u are only killing less riders. just every 20-25 mins u will get 2-3ectos instead of 6-7.
so it will take u double the time to get a stack of ectos, but u are still going to do it faster than anything else. This will lead to the ectos leveling off to 3.8-4k as average prices. Damage done. Move on, just a game at the end of the day |
Especially the party about Signet of Disenchantment?
And ecto's are allready at 5,5K at this very moment.
Shayne Hawke
Good job, ANet.
Unfortunately, you're months late, and Ursan is still working.
Unfortunately, you're months late, and Ursan is still working.
Rhamia Darigaz
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Espadon
I'm a hardcore sin player. Always have been, so first of all, I've been laughing at all the bandwagoners that made a sin just to farm ectos [guys named "Lve For Ecto" or "Ecto Machine" or "Ecto Cum To Me"]. The SF-upadte was a chance for me to go from a peasant living at 10k a month to FoW armor in 3 weeks' time. I'm a sin, but I'm pretty happy to see this nerf, since SF was so invincible it was boring for me to just say to guildies, "Hey. You want me to go perma right?" When I did the Forgemaster quests today for my FoW armor [right before the nerf] I pretty much ran my group, and there was no teamwork, really. So, I'm happy to see this. GW will be a cooperative game again.
Panais
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Did you even read the update notes?
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Also just becuase the trader is at 5.5k doesnt mean ppl will follow him, and Anet fixing the price is wrong
Qwertyfied
Chaos planes still very farmable, just went to see for fun on my ele. Albeit the update has removed a fair few of the dream riders from farmability, there still is however 4 riders you can do + the mindblade groups. Didn't do them all due to lag, but probably would only take 15mins. As i said though, just checked for fun - i wont actually bother doing it since its boring.
Willow O Whisper
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Did you even read the update notes?
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Nadia Roark
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OH its not ridiculous I'm perfectly fine with the NERF But there was much Complaining Such as PERMA SF being God mode, last i checked we could still die and only those who took the time to Perfect the USE Of perma SF ever truly reaped the awards. Call it God Mode Is what I call absurd. I didn't see any 1 hit kills. But hey call it what you want, And you must admit if no one had ever said anything about PERMA SF they woulda never have nerfed it so someone had to have came across it and Cried out Foul to A-net.
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Ate of DK
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I'm a hardcore sin player. Always have been, so first of all, I've been laughing at all the bandwagoners that made a sin just to farm ectos [guys named "Lve For Ecto" or "Ecto Machine" or "Ecto Cum To Me"]. The SF-upadte was a chance for me to go from a peasant living at 10k a month to FoW armor in 3 weeks' time. I'm a sin, but I'm pretty happy to see this nerf, since SF was so invincible it was boring for me to just say to guildies, "Hey. You want me to go perma right?" When I did the Forgemaster quests today for my FoW armor [right before the nerf] I pretty much ran my group, and there was no teamwork, really. So, I'm happy to see this. GW will be a cooperative game again.
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BlackSephir
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Why? I made more (alot more actually) then enough to compensate for the time spent making the assassin.
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Feathermoore Rep
The only real problem I have with this change/nerf is the fact that they do this in the name of the economy.
Seriously, in the name of the economy. Come on. The economy was FUBAR like a year ago. Inscriptions should have been the game from the start or at least for pvp cuz making a pve/pvp character without them is just rediculous for average players. Ursan took ectos from like 8.5k to 5.5k, and ursan and sf along with exploits took gems down from rediculous high to like 1-2k per gem now. And they decide to split pve and pvp, change shadowform, knowing full well its only real use is farming, and then go 'oh noes - ectos dropped to 3k'. It is just a stupid decision on ANETs part.
Yes i admit SF is imba, being able to farm like 50e in a few hours is a bit extreme. But thats why the value of the ecto changes. If theres is an influx of supply the price goes down. All the really was changing was the price of the ecto. The price on object in the economy still cost the same. Just instead of 20ecto for 100k you got 30ecto for 100k. 100k is still a 100k. Granted this still surges massive amounts of ecto into the market, all people were doing is hording stacks of ectos and armbraces anyway, because as we all know all that is left in GW is farming and title grinding.
Its just a little too late for me to be okay with ANET doing something in the name of the economy.
bai bai SF - You're not quite dead, but you're almost there.
Seriously, in the name of the economy. Come on. The economy was FUBAR like a year ago. Inscriptions should have been the game from the start or at least for pvp cuz making a pve/pvp character without them is just rediculous for average players. Ursan took ectos from like 8.5k to 5.5k, and ursan and sf along with exploits took gems down from rediculous high to like 1-2k per gem now. And they decide to split pve and pvp, change shadowform, knowing full well its only real use is farming, and then go 'oh noes - ectos dropped to 3k'. It is just a stupid decision on ANETs part.
Yes i admit SF is imba, being able to farm like 50e in a few hours is a bit extreme. But thats why the value of the ecto changes. If theres is an influx of supply the price goes down. All the really was changing was the price of the ecto. The price on object in the economy still cost the same. Just instead of 20ecto for 100k you got 30ecto for 100k. 100k is still a 100k. Granted this still surges massive amounts of ecto into the market, all people were doing is hording stacks of ectos and armbraces anyway, because as we all know all that is left in GW is farming and title grinding.
Its just a little too late for me to be okay with ANET doing something in the name of the economy.
bai bai SF - You're not quite dead, but you're almost there.
Ben-A-BoO
Yay! I got my guildies back!