[Dev Update] Shadow Form Balance Changes - 2 July 2008 - Guild Wars Guru archive powered by Guild Wars Legacy

R.Shayne

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

03 Jul 2008 at 03:27 - 241

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steps_Descending

So... Who feels like cleanign the dust off the ol' 55/SS team?

Nah, still getting more ecto with my solo sin, even after the update.

Got to admit one thing, was still hoping to be able to use my A/Me build, guess I will have to be happy with 3 to 5 ecto per run now.

Never sold anything to the rare material trader, players paid better prices, but I am tempted to start just to do my part to drive the ecto price down so I can listen to the ecto horders complain about there e-p**** shrinking again.

And thanks ANET for removing those nasty elementalist from my raptor farm.

Shadowmoon

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2006

N/A

N/

03 Jul 2008 at 03:36 - 242

Quote:

Originally Posted by R.Shayne

And thanks ANET for removing those nasty elementalist from my raptor farm.

Those Eles were the ones supplying my gold ids for my wisdom title. Guess i'll have to go back to buying gold ids from bots and RMT companies, instead of the standard rapter farmer.

Mindblade Spectre

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jun 2008

The Underworld

Me/

03 Jul 2008 at 03:43 - 243

So it looks like I'll be seeing less of my little assassin friends, and that makes me sad. Oh well, times change, people move on to bigger and better things, and we must adapt to an ever-evolving world. We all knew this day was coming. Allow yourself time to grieve, and then move on with your life.

I've got this new [skill]Hex Breaker[/skill] thing, and a few new dream rider friends (although they're not really my type, if you know what I mean) to make up for it, though. There's no use crying over spilt elite, as the old saying goes. I'm sure that some of my more devoted friends will still find a way to come visit me. Thanks guys, it's nice to know that even when the going gets tough, your real friends will stay by your side.

On a lighter note, I'm really looking forward to this year's Dragon Festival. I don't usually get out of the Underworld too much, but this looks far too entertaining to miss, as I wasn't able to attend the last time (Grenth made me work overtime again). I hope to see everyone there, especially all the Assassins with whom I've formed a bond with over the past several weeks.

Thanks for playing everyone, good luck, and most importantly, have fun!

Omnidragon42

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2005

Pantheon of Shadows [dei]

W/A

03 Jul 2008 at 03:48 - 244

Quote:

Originally Posted by R.Shayne

And thanks ANET for removing those nasty elementalist from my raptor farm.

I farm raptors on my ele without SF, and it's at most 20 seconds slower per run.

ShadowsRequiem

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Inde is Smoking [Hawt] *ToA*

W/E

03 Jul 2008 at 03:48 - 245

rofl

I come back to find this... shit I should have played more gw and farmed ectos QQ

Shakti

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2006

Home...

Vier Reiter [Vier]

03 Jul 2008 at 03:49 - 246

Quote:

Originally Posted by R.Shayne

And thanks ANET for removing those nasty elementalist from my raptor farm.

Heh..sorry, eles aren't leaving the raptorcakes alone...

my ele has never used sf and has slaughtered Rekoff and her motley family many a time...e/me kicks at that run

we don' need no stinkin shadow form...

on topic, good nerf. It's been swell, but the swelling's gone down.

hellknight17

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

AZ

W/

03 Jul 2008 at 03:50 - 247

Why is it when ever we get these great farming builds and I start to enjoy the game again they nerf it?

1. AoE gets nerfed. Sure that was ok, made it a little more real I guess.
2. Drops get nerfed. Why because solo farming is bad? Dont see how that is.
3. Both Visages skills get nerfed. I didn't think those were even used in PvP. So much fun farming with my ele and rit.
4. Now this BS with SF. Ectos are actually becoming a reasonable price and regular players can make money or even get the FoW armor they have always wanted. Thats bad?

I mean all these people whining about game economy. It has been out of wack for a long time and who even cares ITS A GAME.

I thought games where suppose to be fun thats why the are called GAMES!

DAMN IT ANET LEAVE PvE SKILLS ALONE!

WHY DON'T WE JUST REMOVE ECTOS AND THE UNDERWORLD ALL TOGETHER.

Wolala Wagaga

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2007

03 Jul 2008 at 03:52 - 248

check out the new SF farming build.. still works like a charm http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0304481&page=2

manitoba1073

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

ManitobaShipyards Refit and Repair Station

(SFC)Star Fleet Command,(TDE)The Daggerfall elite,(SOoM)Secret order of Magi

03 Jul 2008 at 04:00 - 249

Thats not the only one that still works for UW. It hasnt really changed anything for the UW farm. Laugh now at the QQ's. It did however screw up many many other farms for sins. Adding in the 50% damage reduction just neutered the other farms and basically left the UW one intact.

R.Shayne

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Oct 2007

03 Jul 2008 at 04:27 - 250

Quote:

Originally Posted by manitoba1073

Thats not the only one that still works for UW. It hasnt really changed anything for the UW farm. Laugh now at the QQ's. It did however screw up many many other farms for sins. Adding in the 50% damage reduction just neutered the other farms and basically left the UW one intact.

QFT.

ANET just completely killed a bunch of other farms with the 50% damage reduction and left the ecto farm there. I hope they remove the 50% damage thing since since ecto farmers have switched to degen (at the least change to to 25% damage reduction)

Lalamika

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2008

in your computer

Rt/R

03 Jul 2008 at 04:33 - 251

Quote:

Originally Posted by R.Shayne

QFT.

ANET just completely killed a bunch of other farms with the 50% damage reduction and left the ecto farm there. I hope they remove the 50% damage thing since since ecto farmers have switched to degen (at the least change to to 25% damage reduction)

Shh, don't ruin it for everyone.

Nah, on a serious note, I KNEW that given time someone would create a build with nearly the same setup. I actually respected the way they nerfed it even though I wish the elite ecto users would have jumped off of a cliff and left well enough alone. Seems like their "careful" nerf did more harm than good again, but hell what do you expect. Personally I think they should have left it alone.

And people said anet didn't listen to us... You got your nerf now, and now you're upset again. Make up your damned minds. See you at the dragon festival

Torabo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2007

A/

03 Jul 2008 at 04:34 - 252

Quote:

Originally Posted by R.Shayne

QFT.

ANET just completely killed a bunch of other farms with the 50% damage reduction and left the ecto farm there. I hope they remove the 50% damage thing since since ecto farmers have switched to degen (at the least change to to 25% damage reduction)

Exactly
If anything, this build reduced the option for people who used to farm with sins BEFORE the update (like me), and left them with only the UW farm as the last profitable solo sin farm with SF.

Zesbeer

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2007

LLJK

03 Jul 2008 at 04:51 - 253

Quote:

Originally Posted by ANET

We are not opposed to players using Shadow Form for farming, but it is not good for the game economy for high-end farming activities to become too easy or too efficient. The new set of builds enabled by Shadow Form did exactly that.

lol gg anet if they cared about the "high-end economy" they would have nerffed ursan

DarkKnight

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2008

The Seven Deadly

W/E

03 Jul 2008 at 04:54 - 254

Thank you A-Net for nothing, I can still farm the plains without any trouble(cleared plains and pits in 45 min after nerf), Permasins can still go wild making $$$. This nerf has done NOTHING, ZERO, ZILCH, but nerf the ele green farming build. What don't you get about this????? If that was your intention good job, otherwise try again.

Tramp

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jan 2008

Mo/

03 Jul 2008 at 05:01 - 255

oh well..at least i sold a few ectos today at good prices. Looks like the uw farm is alive and well. Back to 3k again. And my ele got the shaft instead with raptors during special events. cant win for losing...

Smite Crawler

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jul 2008

Ice Wastes

Ice Pushers Of The Underworld [Ice]

Mo/

03 Jul 2008 at 05:24 - 256

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mindblade Spectre

So it looks like I'll be seeing less of my little assassin friends, and that makes me sad. Oh well, times change, people move on to bigger and better things, and we must adapt to an ever-evolving world. We all knew this day was coming. Allow yourself time to grieve, and then move on with your life.

I've got this new [skill]Hex Breaker[/skill] thing, and a few new dream rider friends (although they're not really my type, if you know what I mean) to make up for it, though. There's no use crying over spilt elite, as the old saying goes. I'm sure that some of my more devoted friends will still find a way to come visit me. Thanks guys, it's nice to know that even when the going gets tough, your real friends will stay by your side.

On a lighter note, I'm really looking forward to this year's Dragon Festival. I don't usually get out of the Underworld too much, but this looks far too entertaining to miss, as I wasn't able to attend the last time (Grenth made me work overtime again). I hope to see everyone there, especially all the Assassins with whom I've formed a bond with over the past several weeks.

Thanks for playing everyone, good luck, and most importantly, have fun!

Oh, hello there Mr. Spectre. It's been a while, I haven't visited that side of the Underworld in ages it seems.

I am truly jealous of all the attention you have all brought up, but your offerings cannot be refused I must admit. It has been very boring and hard over here - mostly civil wars between Coldfires and other Smite Crawler groups, as most of our old time friends should know about.

Unfortunately in regards to the Dragon Festival, Grenth has all of us pushing Ice Crystals over time for the whole entire weekend - it is truly a shame as I would have loved to make it to the Dragon Festival, I hope that you bring back tons of stories and fireworks for us all.

Kanyatta

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jun 2006

Guildless, pm me

R/Mo

03 Jul 2008 at 05:47 - 257

It seems half the Perma-SF's switched up their builds and carried on as usual, and the other half are QQing harder than the Anti-SF's ever did.

Gun Pierson

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Belgium

PIMP

Mo/

03 Jul 2008 at 05:47 - 258

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smite Crawler

I am truly jealous of all the attention you have all brought up, but your offerings cannot be refused I must admit. It has been very boring and hard over here - mostly civil wars between Coldfires and other Smite Crawler groups, as most of our old time friends should know about.

Unfortunately in regards to the Dragon Festival, Grenth has all of us pushing Ice Crystals over time for the whole entire weekend - it is truly a shame as I would have loved to make it to the Dragon Festival, I hope that you bring back tons of stories and fireworks for us all.

Hi there smite crawler. I know you don't like me that much and I apologise for killing lots of your fellow comrades. I tried to intervene in those civil wars you talk about, but it seems I'm not that good a negociator as I thought I was and things got messy sometimes. Oh btw, are the nightmares going to the Festival? I think they deserve a break.

Maybe if you could convince Grenth to push over more of his ectos instead of ice crystals, your boredom might end soon.

I'll see you later,

Gunah San

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

03 Jul 2008 at 05:51 - 259

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zesbeer

lol gg anet if they cared about the "high-end economy" they would have nerffed ursan

Yeah, so why didn't they nerf that? Nothing makes sense anymore. They add the 30k min of favor back 7 months later(not bad, just....interesting), they wait forever to nerf SF, and Ursan is still out there.

MisterT69

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2007

Scions of Carver [SCAR]

E/

03 Jul 2008 at 05:54 - 260

Lol sucks for the QQers...sins are here to stay. The new burning SF = same run time as pre-nerf SF. So expect the A/E's to start flooding back once the build starts spreading

P.S. In case you're wondering what it involves...[frigid armor][glowing gaze][burning speed] HAVE FUN FARMING

! Make sure to spend your ectos and have your mindblades neutered

Kassad

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

W/

03 Jul 2008 at 06:44 - 261

I don't see why everyone is QQ'ing, SF shouldnt have ever been included in the game in the first place.

Oh noes they nerf teh Inv1c3ble skill lolz ima gunna QQ on teh forumz!!

I was hoping they would delete the skill but too many people would have a cry. People exploiting an overpowered skill and it gets nerf so people complain? Can the general community get any more stupid?

manitoba1073

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

ManitobaShipyards Refit and Repair Station

(SFC)Star Fleet Command,(TDE)The Daggerfall elite,(SOoM)Secret order of Magi

03 Jul 2008 at 06:51 - 262

Quote:

Originally Posted by R.Shayne

QFT.

ANET just completely killed a bunch of other farms with the 50% damage reduction and left the ecto farm there. I hope they remove the 50% damage thing since since ecto farmers have switched to degen (at the least change to to 25% damage reduction)

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Hmm ofcourse it took me a whole 36 mins after showing a war the route to do the VwK run. :wave: and someone else has a build itll do it in 23 mins. Sorry for all those guys that didnt want ppl to farm UW chaos plains. I like mine too

zwei2stein

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jun 2006

Europe

The German Order [GER]

N/

03 Jul 2008 at 06:52 - 263

Skill was nerfed yet its still perfectly usable and still imba ... just a bit slower ... and there is still qq over nerf?

Jeez.

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

R/

03 Jul 2008 at 07:01 - 264

This just shows that even if A.Net does care, they don't know anything about balancing the game.

edit: Imo make all banished riders into Cursed ones.

Onyx Blindbow

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2007

Here & There

Blades of Burning Shadows - GoDT

N/

03 Jul 2008 at 07:22 - 265

I can agree with the changes they made in UW the only change I don't agree with is the "50% less damage" change

That change alone has nerfed so many farming builds (from tomes to greens) it's ludicrous.

Nerf's to UW were warranted sa it was simply too easy and I think they made good nerf choices in the additional skills given to the foes and the addition of a different foe, nerfs to farming anywhere in the game are not warranted though and that is the only thing they need to re-dress imo.

eeks

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

Sydney, Australia

Lubricated Volcano Love [Club]

Rt/Mo

03 Jul 2008 at 07:31 - 266

Hrm. It's not exactly difficult to avoid killing Dream Riders. I guess they were overestimating how much SF farmers took the simplicity of the run for granted.

Tender Care

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2008

Blackwater Park

MpF

P/

03 Jul 2008 at 07:32 - 267

[signet of disenchantment] =death

well....i'm quite pissed of about this, but NO PROBLEM : FARMING THE UW IS A PRIVILEGE FOR [URSAN BLESSING] WHICH I HAVE SO NO PROBLEM FTW

Tramp

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jan 2008

Mo/

03 Jul 2008 at 07:39 - 268

ok...i am gonna give in and start farming the snot out of uw now too with the new 23 minute fire/burn build. If you cant beat 'em...join 'em. They nerfed my favorite ele with the SF changes so i am gonna use this new sin til i get hacked and QQ and rage quit or ectos go through the 3's and into the 2's... which should be sometime in the next 24 hours. Just thinking about the guys at anet all typing /fail on their computers right now makes me mad... forget it... gonna watch tv instead.

Golgotha

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Rt/

03 Jul 2008 at 07:42 - 269

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abedeus

This just shows that even if A.Net does care, they don't know anything about balancing the game.

edit: Imo make all banished riders into Cursed ones.

Or.. or.. or.. they could create a new creature at the entrance to the Chaos Plains called "The Bodyguard" he instantly kills any approaching Assassin, secondary or primary alike. That'll definitely be balanced.

@ The ingenuity of some members of the community far outweighing the QQ'ing of elitists.

Nerf #2 in five, four, three....

niek2004

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2007

Afk in Gh.

Old N Dirty[ym] Good Tactics[Good]

P/Rt

03 Jul 2008 at 07:44 - 270

Oke you nerfed SF, now do something about Ursan.

manitoba1073

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2006

ManitobaShipyards Refit and Repair Station

(SFC)Star Fleet Command,(TDE)The Daggerfall elite,(SOoM)Secret order of Magi

03 Jul 2008 at 07:45 - 271

Quote:

Originally Posted by Golgotha

Or.. or.. or.. they could create a new creature at the entrance to the Chaos Plains called "The Bodyguard" he instantly kills any approaching Assassin, secondary or primary alike. That'll definitely be balanced.

@ The ingenuity of some members of the community far outweighing the QQ'ing of elitists.

Nerf #2 in five, four, three....

LOL it wasnt really, its an old build I dug out from when I made my sin in the first place minus an addition at the start of factions.

People dont have a clue that perma sin has always been possible even before the recent buff.

Torabo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2007

A/

03 Jul 2008 at 08:03 - 272

Quote:

Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Skill was nerfed yet its still perfectly usable and still imba ... just a bit slower ... and there is still qq over nerf?

Jeez.

Let's see, its still perfectly usable in the area the nerf is supposed to make harder.... and unusable, or so inefficient that it might as well be for the other areas that Anet supposedly claims the nerf wouldn't have had a major effect on.

Quote:

At this time, we have not made it more difficult to maintain Shadow Form permanently, because this would be more likely to remove Shadow Form farming as an option for many players

<sarcasm>Problem? Of course not.</sarcasm>

I'll be back farming ectos on the sin even though I find it more boring than other less efficient farms, mainly because they've been nerfed to being utterly inefficient or unusable compared to the UW farm, instead of just being a bit less efficient.

Artisan Archer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2007

Free Wind

R/

03 Jul 2008 at 08:07 - 273

They didn't want to kill it, just make it less efficient. As they stated.

DarkNecrid

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

03 Jul 2008 at 08:10 - 274

Quote:

Originally Posted by Artisan Archer

They didn't want to kill it, just make it less efficient. As they stated.

That's great!

By the way it takes the same amount of time with the new build.

Oops!

Torabo

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2007

A/

03 Jul 2008 at 08:18 - 275

Quote:

Originally Posted by Artisan Archer

They didn't want to kill it, just make it less efficient for UW/High-end areas. As they stated.

Fixed

Quote:

We are not opposed to players using Shadow Form for farming, but it is not good for the game economy for high-end farming activities to become too easy or too efficient.

Unfortunately, it didn't really do that, and instead affected other builds.

FF_Timmeh

Academy Page

Join Date: Feb 2008

SG1

Mo/

03 Jul 2008 at 08:19 - 276

u know whats really bad?

this signet kills SF, spellbreaker and obsi... so theire is no way to block hexes anymore.....

this dmg nerf is a sweet idea i think maybe put it on 75% dmg reduction

or 100% XDD

and now put in elite skill vs signets and call it "Signet Form"

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

03 Jul 2008 at 08:24 - 277

Quote:

This just shows that even if A.Net does care, they don't know anything about balancing the game.

Sadly, this is true. Instead of just reverting it back to pre-buff, which would have solved the problem it caused, they decided to make it so it's still possible to farm UW, but they killed a shit load of other harmless farming builds.

I actually thought ANet did something good. I guess I was wrong.

CoopaTroopa

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mo/E

03 Jul 2008 at 08:27 - 278

Be honest with yourselves people. Regardless of what it did to the ecto prices, it was a degenerate and overpowered build. 3 skills giving you permanent immunity from all attacks and spells, leaving the rest of your bar to kill things? No matter how much money you are making, things like that just don't make sense. Anet made the right move with this, and I'm optimistic to see how they handle ursan and SY.

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

03 Jul 2008 at 08:53 - 279

Great job on the new (farming) build guys.

Hyaon

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: May 2005

P/W

03 Jul 2008 at 08:54 - 280

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkKnight

. This nerf has done NOTHING, ZERO, ZILCH, but nerf the ele green farming build. ain.

Yup, utterly owned my e/a, can't kill a thing and have tried to work around it.