Next Skill Balance

lemming

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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra View Post
Finally, you all know that we do not change skills before the MAT.
The following skill balance updates were released within two weeks of their respective monthly ATs. I don't see how you can use that as a legitimate defense.

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Game...une_15.2C_2007
http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Game...ust_16.2C_2007
http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Game...ary_17.2C_2008
http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Game...ary_15.2C_2008
http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Game...rch_20.2C_2008
http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Game...ril_17.2C_2008
http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Game...May_22.2C_2008
http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Game...ust_21.2C_2008
http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Game...ber_11.2C_2008
http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Game...une_18.2C_2009
http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Game...ber_17.2C_2009

Simath

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Originally Posted by Regina Buenaobra View Post
Secondly, skill balance (like many aspects of game design) is an iterative process, and one where both the Test Krewe and the Live Team are learning, streamlining, and improving on, in terms of how best to deliver and take in feedback.
So you're finally admitting that after all these years you still have absolutely no clue what you are doing. At least you're honest...a fraction of the time.

Miscreant_Moon

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Let's just call it what it is everyone....

Vaporware

ArenaNet's next skill update has crossed into the realm of vaporware. I'll go ahead and explain vaporware.

Vaporware: "The term is usually applied to products updates which fail to emerge after having well-exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product update, or when the release date is delayed repeatedly without adequate evidence of specific unforeseen hurdles that cause these delays. The term implies unwarranted optimism, an as yet unannounced abandonment of an product update, or sometimes even deception; that is, it may imply that the announcer knows that product update development is in too early a stage to support responsible statements about its completion date, feature set, or even feasibility. However, most vaporware would not be considered a hoax since the makers have a genuine intention to create their product update, even if it ultimately never materializes. Products Updates with unspecified release dates or long development times that outwardly demonstrate regular, verifiable progress in production are not normally labelled vaporware."

Fay Vert

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Originally Posted by Yelling @ Cats View Post
What a joke.



lol if you think this is going to be monumental

They will nerf 3 skills, buff another 2 skills that will STILL be terrible, and call it a day
You forgot the very minor changes to 20 completely pointless skills.

dancing gnome

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I understand why it didn't come out in December, but it was late in Decemeber. It was late in November. Why is Regina explaining using events in December/January for why a balance is late when it was late before then? If I take a two weeks off of work and am sick for three days, I can't get way with the two weeks simply because I got sick at the end.

Hopefully people realise they are nerfing SF and 600/smite because solo farming and dungeon running kills pugs. They want to make the game more accessible to everyone to play properly, not solo.

UnChosen

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Originally Posted by dancing gnome View Post
I understand why it didn't come out in December, but it was late in Decemeber. It was late in November. Why is Regina explaining using events in December/January for why a balance is late when it was late before then? If I take a two weeks off of work and am sick for three days, I can't get way with the two weeks simply because I got sick at the end.

Hopefully people realise they are nerfing SF and 600/smite because solo farming and dungeon running kills pugs. They want to make the game more accessible to everyone to play properly, not solo.
Unbalanced monsters, crappy reward/work ratio, underpowered classes, pug unfriendly area design, etc. kills pugs...NOT SF nor 600/smite. Once they nerf those two people would just think that UW group play is not worth it and just farm solo with the good old 55 or War/Derv/Ele tank builds.

Even if they nerf every single farming skills in the game people would still "solo"...with H/h. No incentives for group play in a game where teamwork is required = fail. Even korean MMO that has a huge focus on single player grinding has more group incentives than GW.

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I concur with Lemming.

One of the most frustrating things I have experienced while preparing for mAT's is the fact that a whole month of practice would get shat on because skills would get changed a week before the mAT and it would be a matter of who could figure out the most broken piece of sht build in that time and get good at it.

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come oooooon.... are you kidding me? this is way past fail, release it already, make it break the game, the playerbase will test it, you will fix it(not), NOONE gives a crap just do something.... seriously.. if the game was any balanced & serious, I'd understand you wanting to give us a nice balanced awesome update but since it isn't, it won't make much of a difference.

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So you're finally admitting that after all these years you still have absolutely no clue what you are doing. At least you're honest...a fraction of the time.
SPOT ON.

Axeman002

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i LOL'd at this...i now feel an urge to learn dayway i didnt bother before as i thought a nerf was due ... but really we will get an excuse for 6 months then they will announce Beta release to distract you and you will never get that SF nerf you all so long for lol

GG anet thanks for keeping the game fun for me!

Karate Jesus

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/sigh. So many lies in Regina's 1 post....

I'm so tired of the lies of this company. 3 of my friends quit this week. 2 of them have played since release. Maybe I should finally join them.

Hell, I'm having more fun with CoD MW2 anyway, even if the servers are shit (still better than Anet's).

I can't believe that a skill balance has pissed me off this much. I guess it was just the culmination of it all, but damn it.....I loved this game.....and Regina, your company's lies, broken promises, debunk "new ways of doing things", and terrible game support have finally broken me.

Congrats, you've managed to do what I thought you'd never do.

Polgara Val

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Two things I would like to point out.

Firstly, Regina herself is merely relaying what the company is telling her to say, some of you have aimed the blame at her specifically, which essentially is wrong. Keep in mind as well that Regina herself cant give her personal opinion publicly which will in turn look bad on her and risks losing or getting into trouble with her bosses. Despite some of the obvious mistakes (mAT), in her last response on this thread. Dont blame the messenger.

Secondly, I dont blame the people on here with the way there reacting about this update, its one thing about it being delayed for almost half a year. Its quite another when they gave there word they would produce the update in time. Hence why a lot of players are feeling a little aggrieved about the situation for this update, quite simply Anet next time when you give your word on a specified date for the update simply dont say or give your word on it and let it come when its ready.

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Originally Posted by Axel Zinfandel View Post
Uhh, you're speaking as if the Test Krewe has the final word or something.

The way I understand it, the Live team comes up with the skill balance ideas, bounces it off the Test Krewe, lets them tinker around with the skills in actual play, then give their feedback as to what could be better, what is potentially OP about the skills, ect.

In all, the Live Team still has the final say, and Frankly, with the amount of people on the team, and them working on an entirely new game along with security issues and regular stuff over the years, it's no surprise that the team has become detached from the current state of the game.

So naturally, since they aren't gods and can to 1000 things at once, they got a crew together that actually knows more about the current state of the game to help bounce advise.

Time can only tell how well the Test Krewe will effect balances, but I like the fact that Anet can admit their flaws and work around them.

That being said, I think there's been way more then enough time here with the skills. 5+ month gap between skill balances are absolutely ridiculous, and yet another delay (which is what I assume from Regina's post) is not a good sign.
The Test Krewe was made for one reason and one reason only: to assure quality updates. I don't give a shit if it takes them 2 whole years to perfectly balance this game. What I would love is to not be kept in the dark about things. On previous occasions, they have given us a preview of what to expect from the updates, and once we gave them our professional and experienced views and opinions on them, they were changed accordingly.

For example, do you remember what Disarm was going to be like before we put our word in? Imagine an easy Blackout that any char could use without any spec into Strength and would shit all over Adrenaline warriors. We prevented that from ever happening.

I'm not asking for quick and perfect skill updates at all, just frequent updates on what they will look like before and after testing. Why? Because it shows many things:

1)That they are actually working diligently on them.
2)They care enough about their customers to give them a heads up.
3)They are accepting constructive criticism.
4)They are taking the issue seriously.

Trust me, nothing bad will happen from this idea. Some people believe that it will give everyone a head start on builds, but how is that any different from now? It takes an hour, or at the very most a day, for someone with half a brain to come up with a build after an update. And even if the build is only known to a select few before others, then the glorious obs mode will show it to everyone, who will then put it up on pvxwiki. And the cycle continues.

Giga_Gaia

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Judging by Regina's post I'm gonna make a hard guess that there won't be a skill update this month? lol...

I think we were all kidding ourselves if we really did expect one to happen so soon after the holidays and wintersday. I guess I'm guilty of that as well.

Karate Jesus

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Originally Posted by Giga_Gaia View Post
Judging by Regina's post I'm gonna make a hard guess that there won't be a skill update this month? lol...

I think we were all kidding ourselves if we really did expect one to happen so soon after the holidays and wintersday. I guess I'm guilty of that as well.
Even considering that the update is 4 months late (soon to be 5 months) and that we were told it would be in January last month?

Nah, bro.

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus View Post
Even considering that the update is 4 months late (soon to be 5 months) and that we were told it would be in January last month?

Nah, bro.
considering it's anet...and seeing as though the extra "security feature" was my christmas present...I am expect a skill balance for my birthday...and just another 8 months...I just hope they get it done in time...

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So this thread is pretty much this right?

Anet doesn't change something, they're bad

Anet changes something, but it isn't what 60% of the community wanted so them 60% whine about it, obviously Anet are bad

Anet thinks, lets invite a small portion of the GW populace to help us improve balances in the communitys mind, but adding extra time to the process. Anet are bad

Anet disbands the test krewe and goes back to the old way of doing things. Anet are bad.

It's a lose/lose for anet with 99% of this thread. I would also like to note that in all the time gw has been out, not once has it ever been balanced. This is because true balance in GW is imprcatical, and impossible. And if by magic it was achieved, 100% of the playerbase (no exceptions) would complain about how shit gw is and how they have to run the same crap as everyone else. And how things were so much better when one team build wasn't exactly the same as another team build.

tl;dr Shut up, and stop complaining.

Karate Jesus

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Originally Posted by jiggles View Post
So this thread is pretty much this right?

Anet doesn't change something, they're bad

Anet changes something, but it isn't what 60% of the community wanted so them 60% whine about it, obviously Anet are bad

Anet thinks, lets invite a small portion of the GW populace to help us improve balances in the communitys mind, but adding extra time to the process. Anet are bad

Anet disbands the test krewe and goes back to the old way of doing things. Anet are bad.

It's a lose/lose for anet with 99% of this thread. I would also like to note that in all the time gw has been out, not once has it ever been balanced. This is because true balance in GW is imprcatical, and impossible. And if by magic it was achieved, 100% of the playerbase (no exceptions) would complain about how shit gw is and how they have to run the same crap as everyone else. And how things were so much better when one team build wasn't exactly the same as another team build.

tl;dr Shut up, and stop complaining.
I think you misunderstood the thread. We all just want a skill balance. One that was promised to be delivered 4 months ago, and last month we were informed it would be this month. However, this month we were told it would be delayed.

I'd think that our bitching would be understandable.

jiggles

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus View Post
I think you misunderstood the thread. We all just want a skill balance. One that was promised to be delivered 4 months ago, and last month we were informed it would be this month. However, this month we were told it would be delayed.

I'd think that our bitching would be understandable.
When this skill balance arrives, you will all thank anet, and apologise that you were frustrated yes?

No, 60% of you will be right back here in the skill updates thread complaining about how bad anet are for nerfing their favorite skill. And the pvp'ers will be there complaining about how shit the new meta is going to be. Also, bitching never got anybody anywhere.

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Originally Posted by jiggles View Post
I would also like to note that in all the time gw has been out, not once has it ever been balanced.
Just want to point out, there's a huge difference between people being upset over an update because it doesn't make the game balanced, and people being upset over an update because it makes things 10 times worse.

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus View Post
Even considering that the update is 4 months late (soon to be 5 months) and that we were told it would be in January last month?

Nah, bro.
Well... now that I re-read Reggie's journal (the OP), she actually never did specify when the update was going to be, just that it wasn't going to be in December. Pretty clever, I suppose.

Karate Jesus

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Originally Posted by jiggles View Post
When this skill balance arrives, you will all thank anet, and apologise that you were frustrated yes?

No, 60% of you will be right back here in the skill updates thread complaining about how bad anet are for nerfing their favorite skill. And the pvp'ers will be there complaining about how shit the new meta is going to be. Also, bitching never got anybody anywhere.
Again, you seem to be mistaken. Many people in this thread, including myself, have become so frustrated that we no longer care what they balance.

Hell, I don't care if they nerf/buff all of my favorite skills. All I want is a balance so the meta isn't so stale and boring anymore.

You need to move along now. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about

Symeon

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I've come to the conclusion that this is all a clever plan on ANet's part to make skill balances less frequent. The involvement of the Test Krewe is an ideal excuse for delays, as it appears to the rest of us that ANet is taking the time to listen to feedback and perfect the update, when actually, they've probably done the same amount of work on it in these five months as they did in one or two months previously. They're simply drawing out the process.

The announced change from monthly to bimonthly schedule has led to a five month interval. The update will likely be followed by a new announcement, something along the lines of how more time is needed for the Test Krewe to do their work, so the schedule will now be quarterly. There will then be a longer delay, of course, and as the GW2 beta and release draw closer, the balance schedule will be eased into half-yearly. Expect a full halt in balance updates no longer than a year after GW2 is released. If the Live Team still exists by then, they will be fully occupied with finding ways to scrape money from the game's corpse.

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus View Post
One that was promised to be delivered 4 months ago
2 months ago. The skill update is only 2 months late now. 3 months if it will be released in february.

Anyway, I just hope that this waiting will be rewarded and we will get a nice list of changes next month.

Miscreant_Moon

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Originally Posted by jiggles View Post
So this thread is pretty much this right?

Anet doesn't change something, they're bad

Anet changes something, but it isn't what 60% of the community wanted so them 60% whine about it, obviously Anet are bad

Anet thinks, lets invite a small portion of the GW populace to help us improve balances in the communitys mind, but adding extra time to the process. Anet are bad

Anet disbands the test krewe and goes back to the old way of doing things. Anet are bad.

It's a lose/lose for anet with 99% of this thread. I would also like to note that in all the time gw has been out, not once has it ever been balanced. This is because true balance in GW is imprcatical, and impossible. And if by magic it was achieved, 100% of the playerbase (no exceptions) would complain about how shit gw is and how they have to run the same crap as everyone else. And how things were so much better when one team build wasn't exactly the same as another team build.

tl;dr Shut up, and stop complaining.
So what you're saying, to recap, is that the community shouldn't do anything. And anet shouldn't do anything.

We should all just exist... with a dead game. With no updates. Because posting complaints won't change anything. And balancing a game won't change anything.

Brilliant strategy there. Bet that works really well for companies.

What you've posted is more hopeless and completely counter-productive than anything else in this thread. At least if we're complaining we're talking about the game. If we followed your plan than everything just fades into oblivion. Yeah, that's a preferable alternative.

Karate Jesus

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Originally Posted by Sharkinu View Post
2 months ago. The skill update is only 2 months late now. 3 months if it will be released in february.

Anyway, I just hope that this waiting will be rewarded and we will get a nice list of changes next month.
See the word I bolded up there? Yea, that's the word "update". We haven't had one of those in 4 months. We've had skill "balances", but they were like 2 skills and terrible.

Update and balance mean different things. Just a heads up.

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Originally Posted by Miscreant_Moon View Post
Because posting complaints won't change anything..
Because so much in GW has changed since this thread started...

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Originally Posted by jiggles View Post
Because so much in GW has changed since this thread started...
At least we got an answer from Regina. With the current state of CR, I consider that a bloody fcking miracle.

Miscreant_Moon

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That would be the point exactly jiggles, of WHY people are complaining.

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Last skill update was in September. They already said about bimonthly updates. The next one was supposed to be in November. That's 2 months ago. The skill update will be delayed with 3 months.

"skill update is 4 months late" and "we haven't had a skill update in 4 months" are diffrent things.

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin View Post

I would like the updates to come out asap just like anyone else. But to whine and moan to the devs isn't going to make a difference about how fast it comes out. The devs are paid employees and are doing their job without making GW their life ~_~. So chill the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO out and let them do their job.
We've let them do their job for nearly half a year and haven't seen anything.

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I think the devs are doing us a favor by letting us know what's on their mind and agenda. Anything beyond that will happen as it happens. In addition to the hostility, there's always the finite possibility that the devs will recognize the overwhelming hostility as more counterproductive, and decide to communicate less.
The only reason they are communicating is to provide excuses. If you think they are anything more than that then I pity you.

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If anyone has ever worked on a large project, you should understand that delays delays delays and moar delays are always the issue. As long as they're not sitting around screwing each other or playing WoW or slacking off during the hours they should be working we shouldn't really have an issue. :/ Of course, if the delays become too long, there might have to be management change/more devs added, but I really doubt that's going to occur, especially since GW isn't the moneymaker it used to be (well, I doubt it is).
If you've ever had a job you'd know that if you miss a deadline, there are harsh consequences, probably resulting in you being kicked off the job.

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so, assuming the developers aren't fvkin around:
1) updates will happen as they happen
2) keeping us informed of what's going on is nice, but if people just take it as the word of God and spew invective and hostility maybe its not worth it so much..?
3) we'd like faster updates, but seeing as how GW is getting older, there's probably less of a chance of bringing in more programmers to deal with the issues
4) delays are part of any project ~_~

edit: regina isn't exactly the most interactive rep we've had so far, but honestly if you were the anet rep would you want to interact with these numbskulls? psh..
When is the hostility justified then? When it's a year late can we complain? What about two? Delays are a couple of days late, not months.

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Then you obviously fall into the '40% of people I was not talking about'. I must have forgotten the world revolves around you
Let's get something strait. the majority of people here (and arguable a majority that play GW) like skill updates/balances. However WHAT is balanced/updated is a whole other ordeal. Just like how you can defend a person's right to free speech without agreeing with what they are saying.

We LOVE skill updates, but when they update something and make it so much worse then it was originally (Shadow Form), do you really blame the masses for complaining? It's frustrating for both sides.

However I think it's pretty much agreed here that almost HALF A YEAR is FAR too long to have this stagnant meta and overpowered, broken skills. It makes everyone wonder where the team's priorities are, what they were even DOING this whole time, and their silence (and excuses) are getting old, and is deflecting.

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Originally Posted by Chocobo1 View Post
When is the hostility justified then? When it's a year late can we complain? What about two? Delays are a couple of days late, not months.
I won't and don't profess to know what is going on behind the scenes; I am making the assumption that they are trying to do their jobs as best as they know how. If ANET is merely criminally incompetent and don't know their heads from their ass, complaining won't get things done faster. If they are not incompetent and the workload was just more than they thought it would be, or other things have popped up that force them to push aside work, then complaining still won't get anything done any faster.

The only benefit that bitching has is to focus attention on a particular problem when we feel priorities need to be shifted; I am sure ANET already recognizes that we want our RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing update, since we've been posting about SF regularly for the past half year and more. Any further hostility beyond this is totally counterproductive, and adds absolutely nothing to the debate.

There's a difference between hostility with a point that may effect some change, and hostility that will only further to sour relations or feelings between two parties. But in order to differentiate the two one must have a measure of maturity...

As for maturity.. well...

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Originally Posted by YunSooJin View Post
I won't and don't profess to know what is going on behind the scenes; I am making the assumption that they are trying to do their jobs as best as they know how. If ANET is merely criminally incompetent and don't know their heads from their ass, complaining won't get things done faster. If they are not incompetent and the workload was just more than they thought it would be, or other things have popped up that force them to push aside work, then complaining still won't get anything done any faster.

The only benefit that bitching has is to focus attention on a particular problem when we feel priorities need to be shifted; I am sure ANET already recognizes that we want our RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing update, since we've been posting about SF regularly for the past half year and more. Any further hostility beyond this is totally counterproductive, and adds absolutely nothing to the debate.

There's a difference between hostility with a point that may effect some change, and hostility that will only further to sour relations or feelings between two parties. But in order to differentiate the two one must have a measure of maturity...

As for maturity.. well...
Just as it is ridiculous to assume that nothing is being done, with so little information, it's just as ridiculous to assume that something is being done.

We have no progress that has been visibly shown. Telling us a long list of excuses i.e. sick, winter holidays, test krewe, mat, etc. is not progress. We have been shown absolutely not one shred of evidence that it is being addressed. And yet you fault those for complaining?

I'm not saying that nothing is being done, I'm quite sure even some test krewe members can vouch that things are being discussed. But to tell the community to just "keep waiting patiently" is inexcusable at this point. If they are NOT working on the skill update then what are they working on? Or is that an unreasonable request in your eyes as well?

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So I guess being silent gets more things done then being vocal?

The one that did not speak, was the one that was not heard.

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You know what would fix all this? Valve needs to buy aNet. Think about it. When Day of Defeat and CS went to steam, we all screeched, but we learned to love it, and it's still with us, and so are DoD 1.3 and CS 1.6, which both receive regular, working(Most tend to think so) updates right alongside their hl2 engined versions, as do countless other neat games.

There's life for GW yet, it's just obvious that the NCsoft tie needs to be severed. Go Steam!!

Hey..It's just a thought.

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Originally Posted by Miscreant_Moon View Post
Just as it is ridiculous to assume that nothing is being done, with so little information, it's just as ridiculous to assume that something is being done.

We have no progress that has been visibly shown. Telling us a long list of excuses i.e. sick, winter holidays, test krewe, mat, etc. is not progress. We have been shown absolutely not one shred of evidence that it is being addressed. And yet you fault those for complaining?

I'm not saying that nothing is being done, I'm quite sure even some test krewe members can vouch that things are being discussed. But to tell the community to just "keep waiting patiently" is inexcusable at this point. If they are NOT working on the skill update then what are they working on? Or is that an unreasonable request in your eyes as well?
Frankly, I think it would be more ridiculous to assume ANET employees are getting away with doing absolutely nothing for over half a year and are still getting paid etc/ not getting fired. But that's just me. If your complaint is about visible progress.. well boo hoo? What do you want them to do? Upload a video of them coding? -.-

I don't fault those who are complaining. I ask to use the brain the Almighty/Nature/w/e gifted you with and realize that acting like a retard when there is nothing to be gained from it is useless at best, harmful at worst.

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Frankly, I think it would be more ridiculous to assume ANET employees are getting away with doing absolutely nothing for over half a year and are still getting paid etc/ not getting fired. But that's just me. If your complaint is about visible progress.. well boo hoo? What do you want them to do? Upload a video of them coding? -.-

I don't fault those who are complaining. I ask to use the brain the Almighty/Nature/w/e gifted you with and realize that acting like a retard when there is nothing to be gained from it is useless at best, harmful at worst.
I believe I asked quite clearly that if they can't "show" us progress than maybe they could tell us what they ARE working on. But that's just... you know... reasonable. Can't have any of that now, can we.

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I believe I asked quite clearly that if they can't "show" us progress than maybe they could tell us what they ARE working on. But that's just... you know... reasonable. Can't have any of that now, can we.
regina already told us what they were working on.. not gonna find the post fer ya though

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regina already told us what they were working on.. not gonna find the post fer ya though
Because it's not there. We know they were working on lag issues, security issues. How much that involves the Live Team we don't know. I would assume their IT team would handle these issues. Maybe their teams are set up differently though. We have the "list of skills" they were discussing from last month on her journal:

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User:...naobra/Journal

But since nothing happened with that we don't really have anything now do we? Please, I would really like to be informed. Tell me what the Live Team is addressing and working on right now. It's a general question for anyone. Maybe all their focus is on the Test Krewe? Why all the discussion and no action? Oh, because of the Test Krewe. Which is... discussing still. I don't understand your hostility now YunSooJin, in an ironic turn of events.

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regina already told us what they were working on.. not gonna find the post fer ya though
the first post in this thread....