Petition to Demand a Response from Anet on Botting
Fluffy Kittens
Problem is that at least 75% percent of people that someone claims they use bot.. they don't, there aren't that many bots around really.. I know 8-9 and there shouldn't be much more so I don't get it what is the all panic for zzz. Get some skills before you QQ about bots.
Sarevok Thordin
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Originally Posted by Rezz Anna Nicole
Problem is that at least 75% percent of people that someone claims they use bot.. they don't, there aren't that many bots around really.. I know 8-9 and there shouldn't be much more so I don't get it what is the all panic for zzz. Get some skills before you QQ about bots.
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Paradise Lost
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Originally Posted by FoxBat
While I'm as concerned as anyone about all this bot rampage, they are not going to be able to farm champ points with AFK bots. You need to be a 1200 guild vs a 1200 guild, you won't keep your 1200 long after several losses, and you will lose to even other 1200 guildsellers that aren't running AFKbots. Some lame build that abuses bot interrupts, maybe. But full AFK teams need bad players to farm and 1200+ doesn't cut it.
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If you were keenly watching obs about a month ago you might have noticed that 2 guilds accidentally did go on obs. There were 7-8 matches in a row with them farming champs. You rarely see it though!
Missing HB
Well , although there are many bots around in every pvp place , Rezz Anna Nicole is pointing out a nice thing : many people just believe their opponent is bot because he does rupt all your bar ( or most important skills ) ( Of course , it's hard for a human to keep rupting 1/4 cast skills )
But , the problem is that some people ( especially eles or necros ) have a bar which can be easily rupted . Last time in Ra , guy called me bot because i kept rupting parasite , barbs , rez , etc .... Point is that , by making threads and threads about bots , and not having solution given , everyone believe there are bot everywhere , and the situation will continue ( check that guy who believes a bot can make you do everything in HB , micro etc .. ).
Also , an other problem getting annoying is like : In RA or HA , you keep rupting your opponent = you re a bot . You rupt your opponent , with missing some = you're called like " noob mesmer , fail rupter , ..." , so ..
But , the problem is that some people ( especially eles or necros ) have a bar which can be easily rupted . Last time in Ra , guy called me bot because i kept rupting parasite , barbs , rez , etc .... Point is that , by making threads and threads about bots , and not having solution given , everyone believe there are bot everywhere , and the situation will continue ( check that guy who believes a bot can make you do everything in HB , micro etc .. ).
Also , an other problem getting annoying is like : In RA or HA , you keep rupting your opponent = you re a bot . You rupt your opponent , with missing some = you're called like " noob mesmer , fail rupter , ..." , so ..
Sarevok Thordin
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Originally Posted by Missing HB
Well , although there are many bots around in every pvp place , Rezz Anna Nicole is pointing out a nice thing : many people just believe their opponent is bot because he does rupt all your bar ( or most important skills ) ( Of course , it's hard for a human to keep rupting 1/4 cast skills )
But , the problem is that some people ( especially eles or necros ) have a bar which can be easily rupted . Last time in Ra , guy called me bot because i kept rupting parasite , barbs , rez , etc .... Point is that , by making threads and threads about bots , and not having solution given , everyone believe there are bot everywhere , and the situation will continue ( check that guy who believes a bot can make you do everything in HB , micro etc .. ). Also , an other problem getting annoying is like : In RA or HA , you keep rupting your opponent = you re a bot . You rupt your opponent , with missing some = you're called like " noob mesmer , fail rupter , ..." , so .. |
Ankh
/Signed for your petition
The use of any bot in GW is both detrimental to the user of the bot and the games community in the long run.
I don't see how people can use a bot in PvP and still enjoy playing, where is your reward for your own skill and effort. If you use for example an interupt bot and win some matches, when you come to face someone else also using a bot you will eventually be in stale mate with them bots interupting other bots, it's ridiculous.
Just play the game as designed, any infraction on this should in my opinion result in lengthy denail of access, and eventualy permanent bans for repeat offenders.
For the Games Admin to let bots go so largely ignored is not acceptable for the honest customers and potential new customers it has.
There should also be a crackdown on all the ladder manipulation I see on observer mode, with half teams entering and resigning straight away to decrease their rating and rank.
It's obvious what is going on, so do something about it make this artifical gaming environment a fair and honest place for all to enjoy as designed.
The use of any bot in GW is both detrimental to the user of the bot and the games community in the long run.
I don't see how people can use a bot in PvP and still enjoy playing, where is your reward for your own skill and effort. If you use for example an interupt bot and win some matches, when you come to face someone else also using a bot you will eventually be in stale mate with them bots interupting other bots, it's ridiculous.
Just play the game as designed, any infraction on this should in my opinion result in lengthy denail of access, and eventualy permanent bans for repeat offenders.
For the Games Admin to let bots go so largely ignored is not acceptable for the honest customers and potential new customers it has.
There should also be a crackdown on all the ladder manipulation I see on observer mode, with half teams entering and resigning straight away to decrease their rating and rank.
It's obvious what is going on, so do something about it make this artifical gaming environment a fair and honest place for all to enjoy as designed.
Gill Halendt
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Originally Posted by Ankh
It's obvious what is going on, so do something about it make this artifical gaming environment a fair and honest place for all to enjoy as designed.
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Sarevok Thordin
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Originally Posted by QueenofDeath
I agree with Rezz and I've said this before. There aren't as many bots as these QQers make out to be. I play RA HA AB JQ and FA and I don't encounter these bots. I encounter great players who happen to have skill and if these QQers had skill they would know how to handle them.
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Being forced to take MoR because of a bot is not kosher.
Karate Jesus
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Originally Posted by Rezz Anna Nicole
Problem is that at least 75% percent of people that someone claims they use bot.. they don't, there aren't that many bots around really.. I know 8-9 and there shouldn't be much more so I don't get it what is the all panic for zzz. Get some skills before you QQ about bots.
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Wow, people really don't know what's happening, huh?
Let me try to lay them out for you (only the publicly accessible ones) -
- Mesmer Interrupt Bot
- Ranger Interrupt Bot
- T-Spike (syncs spikes)
- PvP Enemy Party Window (Tells you the professions, skills, enchants, hexes, etc. of the enemy party and one-click targets).
- JQ Bot
- Boreal Chestbot (runs chests with lockpicks, identifies and sells items, etc.)
- Hero Speedbooking bot (speed books EoTN for title rep points)
- Vanquish bot (soon-to-be released bot that vq's for you with your heroes)
- W/N Raptorbot (farms, identifies items, sells items, etc.)
- Title Package bot (switches your title and between NM and HM based on your area)
- Jitte Farming bot
- Bot Toolbox (does....a lot).
- Follow Bot (for use with 2 accounts running. Follow bot will follow the main account to help with vanquishes or dungeons)
- Stygian Veil Trapper (trap farms veil in HM, IDs weapons, sells everything except r9 weapons, gems, lockpicks, dyes, and it's own ID kits)
- HA Infuse Bot (replaces Infuse monks in HA)
- Destroyer Core farming bot
- RA Mo/W Bot
- LDoA Deathleveling bot (deathlevels for your LDoA title)
- All-Around Bot (uses alcohol, party items, and sweets)
- Mount Qinkai Vanquish Bot (farms faction)
- Elite Monk Tome farming bot
- Elite Rit Tome farming bot
- Discordway Vanquish Bot
- Dragon's Nest Bot (farms gamer points)
- Dragon Arena Bot
- Rollerbeetle Racing Bot (uses skills and racing pattern to win/place in Rollerbeetle)
- 9 Rings Bot (farming Lucky/Unlucky points, buys new tickets when you need them, keeps the client active while afk'ing to prevent the game from shutting down)
- CoF chestbot (runs chests for lockpicks)
- Kilroy Running Survivor Bot (farms Legendary Survivor title)
- R/Me FoWbot (almost done. Farms FoW solo)
- Feather Farming Bot
- Polar Bear Farming Bot
- Deldrimor Title Farming Bot
- Norn Title Farming Bot
- Asuran leeching bot (commonly used with A/E or W/N farming bots to allow your main account to leech your bot account)
And that's not all. There are many other bots listed in this thread that are also publicly released, and many more on the way. That is just a small sample of about half of the publicly released bots currently being used.
By current download and traffic estimates, at least 5,000 players currently bot. It is also highly likely that they bot on more than one account and even more likely that they bot on more than 2 accounts. And that is only an estimate of publicly released bots. Private bot usage could drastically change the number.
For the last time, this is a serious issue.
BuD
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I was in Zos Chivros the other day & saw "player" named Xxx A. Then 20 seconds later I saw Xxx B, 20 seconds after that I saw Xxx C. I stayed there for a half hour or so, while watching I saw every letter of the alphabet after that "Players" name up to P every one was a N/Mo....thats ALOT of bots...
fowlero
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Originally Posted by FoxBat
While I'm as concerned as anyone about all this bot rampage, they are not going to be able to farm champ points with AFK bots. You need to be a 1200 guild vs a 1200 guild, you won't keep your 1200 long after several losses, and you will lose to even other 1200 guildsellers that aren't running AFKbots. Some lame build that abuses bot interrupts, maybe. But full AFK teams need bad players to farm and 1200+ doesn't cut it.
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Kashrlyyk
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Originally Posted by Ankh
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Just play the game as designed, any infraction on this should in my opinion result in lengthy denail of access, and eventualy permanent bans for repeat offenders. ..... There should also be a crackdown on all the ladder manipulation I see on observer mode, with half teams entering and resigning straight away to decrease their rating and rank. It's obvious what is going on, so do something about it make this artifical gaming environment a fair and honest place for all to enjoy as designed. |
Septeric
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| For the last time, this is a serious issue. |
for people who are still laughing about all of the people QQ'ing in this thread, the jokes on you.
i will restate the obvious:
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why?
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Update - Thursday, February 25, 2010 http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Feedb...dates/20100225 there is no question why there has been a noticeable increase in botting in the last couple months... anet went over the line destroying established gameplay instead of adding new content to change and balance the game. so all the people that was laughed at for QQ'ing.. just said screw it.. and adapted... |
how do i personally know?
because my neighbor has been setup as a bot server farm, and is running them like a madman since 2/27-ish.
and when the truth of the matter is:
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I think part of the problem that people don't understand with botters is that we're not dumb, farm-oriented people. And we're not closed off, either. If you know where to find us (which isn't too hard), we're very open about everything. We don't bot around-the-clock. For the most part, we don't bot on mains. And, most importantly, the people behind the scripts are intelligent. Until ANet implements some sort of hash-checking feature, bots will just keep getting smarter and overcome anything ArenaNet throws at them. I mean, even a hash-check would be simple to beat. Excessively simple. |
here is where my opinion kicks back in:
so the botters aren't ragin pimple faced 13 year old nerds and anet IS condoning it by not addressing it, as the amount of bots grow exponentially.
well that wraps up my daily rant to keep the thread alive to see if anet will ever 'man up' to their clients concerns, that may or may not, make them look bad.
because i feel that by not saying anything at all, makes anet look like shit!
Zenzai
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Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin
The problem is, there is so many botters out there that is just criminalises the good players, and there are some. But the bot problem just HAS to be given a hardline, IP banning from the game will eventually come to pass if Anet want to keep the game fair and square.
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lishi
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Originally Posted by Zenzai
But IP bannings aren't fair though. Not only can they be changed, a lot of innocent users can be caught in the crossfire, especially if in a place with free internet access. It won't change anything.
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Im pretty sure you can be safe that 99.9% of the banned are deserved, for the few caught in the crossfire it can be always be reverted.
The only problem is while botting is not acceptable i fear that removing any more player from this game will kinda kill it.
So yea, removing bot, try to remove the reward they reaped and if you must ban but remember that this game need players.
Sarevok Thordin
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Originally Posted by lishi
Naa, it can be done safely: consider time, crosscheck trade history, chat history etc.
Im pretty sure you can be safe that 99.9% of the banned are deserved, for the few caught in the crossfire it can be always be reverted. The only problem is while botting is not acceptable i fear that removing any more player from this game will kinda kill it. |
Personally, I feel a hard line has to be taken and SOON to discourage this behaviour. The botting has to go somewhere, they wouldn't bot without something to gain, if all those gains are lost in 1 click....kinda puts things in perspective. The people running bots like idiots are people I don't want to play with.
Ariovist Lynxkind
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Originally Posted by Zenzai
But IP bannings aren't fair though. Not only can they be changed, a lot of innocent users can be caught in the crossfire, especially if in a place with free internet access. It won't change anything.
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Karate Jesus
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Originally Posted by Ariovist Lynxkind
Agreed. Forget IP banning, go for game code banning like Blizzard did recently
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In general....I just don't think they care anymore. Look at how often Anet employees respond on GW2Guru threads with half the number of views this thread has had. They simply no longer care about GW1. They've moved on.
cosyfiep
think I mentioned something to that effect a while back, yet no one seems to listen to me.
anyways there is little that they can say that we will believe at this point. They have moved on and care more about a game still in development than one that is currently live. There is not much that they will do with the tiny amount of resources left for this game.
I believe there is a saying that goes--changes the things I can and accept the things you can not change, and give me the intelligence to know which is which.
anyways there is little that they can say that we will believe at this point. They have moved on and care more about a game still in development than one that is currently live. There is not much that they will do with the tiny amount of resources left for this game.
I believe there is a saying that goes--changes the things I can and accept the things you can not change, and give me the intelligence to know which is which.
R_Frost
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Originally Posted by Septeric
not to anet it would seem. 9 days and counting this thread has been asking for a response. (again no official forums = epic fail)
for people who are still laughing about all of the people QQ'ing in this thread, the jokes on you. |
but seriously based on some of the listed bot programs its pretty clear why its being done and there is no one to blame but Anet themselfs. revert loot scaling, increase drop rates on rare items and event items, and reduce the grind of a few titles and the need for the bots has been reduced greatly. also before anyone cries that will just screw the economy, as if its not already screwed up.
Del
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Originally Posted by R_Frost
also before anyone cries that will just screw the economy, as if its not already screwed up.
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Ariovist Lynxkind
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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus
Considering how long this thread is now, I'm tempted to suggest that Anet will not respond to this thread.
In general....I just don't think they care anymore. Look at how often Anet employees respond on GW2Guru threads with half the number of views this thread has had. They simply no longer care about GW1. They've moved on. |
Glass Of Water
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JQ, especially on the Luxon side, is being crippled by the amount of bots. I know of one person I always see using a follow bot, that duplicates every action he takes on another ele (usually in AB). RA I have seen numerous bots. When it comes to PvE, I see bots in the same towns I saw them in ages ago.
It would seem the amount of bots has increased dramatically as of late. Something new really has to be done to fix this problem.
JQ, especially on the Luxon side, is being crippled by the amount of bots. I know of one person I always see using a follow bot, that duplicates every action he takes on another ele (usually in AB). RA I have seen numerous bots. When it comes to PvE, I see bots in the same towns I saw them in ages ago.
It would seem the amount of bots has increased dramatically as of late. Something new really has to be done to fix this problem.
UnChosen
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Originally Posted by Del
the economy doesn't matter, as long as pvp and pve are free of bots, and people don't feel the need to resort to botting to grind titles/get items is what actually matters.
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Originally Posted by Glass Of Water
/signed
JQ, especially on the Luxon side, is being crippled by the amount of bots. I know of one person I always see using a follow bot, that duplicates every action he takes on another ele (usually in AB). RA I have seen numerous bots. When it comes to PvE, I see bots in the same towns I saw them in ages ago. It would seem the amount of bots has increased dramatically as of late. Something new really has to be done to fix this problem. |
Oh wait...what happened was that they decided to go after the HFFF bots by just nerfing the run into oblivion while leaving the FA/JQ bots INTACT! Not to mention increasing the faction reward to a level that barely made a difference to legit players but made FA/JQ botters jump for joy. /facepalm
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Originally Posted by UnChosen
Oh wait...what happened was that they decided to go after the HFFF bots by just nerfing the run into oblivion...
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talon994
Don't even mention JQ bots here. Nobody cares about jq enough anyways. Not the players or Anet for that matter. Yes, there's 5-6 serious jq players, but come on. Jq is entry level RA and sits on the PvE borderline. In 7 months I have seen 3 bots turn into 12+. If I wasnt banned atm, I could give the names of ALL the luxon jq bots. Then again, previous statement. Anet doesn't care enough and the players don't care enough. The things learned in this thread are valuable. But, until Anet learns of it's value. We will continue to whine and bitch about bots etc.
Karate Jesus
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Originally Posted by talon994
Don't even mention JQ bots here. Nobody cares about jq enough anyways.
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Krill
I am curious if anyone knows how these bots function. Is it code that modifies the game files or is code that interacts with the game input on its own UI?
At any rate the chances of anet developing their own anti-cheat system seems completely out of the question. Maybe they could require the use of punk buster or some other 3rd party anti-cheat client while playing in PvP areas. That would introduce its own set of problems and anti-cheat clients generally only catch stupid cheaters, but it would be better than nothing and introduce the fear factor of being caught and losing your account. It seems now there's little fear of being caught because anet is not taking cheating seriously at all.
It's amazing how fast the cheating hysteria in online games can spin out of control unless it's diligently stamped out. You get the cheaters, then more cheaters because it seems "everyone is doing it", then mass suspicion of any decent player cheating. This has plagued FPS games for years and there's no quick and easy solution unfortunately.
At any rate the chances of anet developing their own anti-cheat system seems completely out of the question. Maybe they could require the use of punk buster or some other 3rd party anti-cheat client while playing in PvP areas. That would introduce its own set of problems and anti-cheat clients generally only catch stupid cheaters, but it would be better than nothing and introduce the fear factor of being caught and losing your account. It seems now there's little fear of being caught because anet is not taking cheating seriously at all.
It's amazing how fast the cheating hysteria in online games can spin out of control unless it's diligently stamped out. You get the cheaters, then more cheaters because it seems "everyone is doing it", then mass suspicion of any decent player cheating. This has plagued FPS games for years and there's no quick and easy solution unfortunately.
Septeric
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botting via injection method is akin to tapping a telephone line. only the most subtle of methods would be able to 'see' that there is a tap.
most of the code is only a set of commands that the game does anyway. example would be that click on the map to (MoveTo) xyz coords. this can be done with a couple of lines of code and GW cannot see that another is on the phone line speaking, and not the original caller.
long story short... if people didn't have to do 5 minute runs, 10,000x for a title.. people wouldn't take the time to make bots.
did i mention this is my opinion?
Nerel
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Originally Posted by cosyfiep
think I mentioned something to that effect a while back, yet no one seems to listen to me.
anyways there is little that they can say that we will believe at this point. They have moved on and care more about a game still in development than one that is currently live. There is not much that they will do with the tiny amount of resources left for this game. I believe there is a saying that goes--changes the things I can and accept the things you can not change, and give me the intelligence to know which is which. |
Septeric
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not so fast to spend my money as the days go by.
lishi
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Originally Posted by Septeric
my way of explaining it would be:
botting via injection method is akin to tapping a telephone line. only the most subtle of methods would be able to 'see' that there is a tap. most of the code is only a set of commands that the game does anyway. example would be that click on the map to (MoveTo) xyz coords. this can be done with a couple of lines of code and GW cannot see that another is on the phone line speaking, and not the original caller. long story short... if people didn't have to do 5 minute runs, 10,000x for a title.. people wouldn't take the time to make bots. did i mention this is my opinion? |
Sarevok Thordin
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Originally Posted by lishi
They would still do them for competitive pvp and money.
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Fluffy Kittens
Who cares about PvE farming bots since zaishen keys are unlimited source of money and ofcourse Anet won't ban them because they need to keep that nerdism attached to game or it will be even more dead than it is now.
Also I mentioned earlier that there are only 8-9 botters... I mean't that in HA section of the game not other arenas and that's true... if I random dshot patient spirit i'm a bot? Seriously people get brainzzzz zzz
Also I mentioned earlier that there are only 8-9 botters... I mean't that in HA section of the game not other arenas and that's true... if I random dshot patient spirit i'm a bot? Seriously people get brainzzzz zzz
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Originally Posted by Rezz Anna Nicole
if I random dshot patient spirit i'm a bot?
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Move Down
I got banned 2 months for botting even when i was not running a bot and i ve send hundreds of mails to support but they simply say its closed and final.
The Gm's dont care if the ban bots or not they just want to ban some people.
Nothing you can do about.
The Gm's dont care if the ban bots or not they just want to ban some people.
Nothing you can do about.
Killed u man
@ Scepteric:
Farms existing is NO excuse for people to farm them. If you only had to do 20 runs to get max XX title instead of 200, people would still be botting it. The problem isn't the game, it's the people. PvP botting perfectly illustrates this. PvP titles, including Champ, have lost all their credibility. Everyone within the PvP community understands this, and even alot of PvE'ers do. Yet, these people still rather have a bot play for them, than play the game themselves.
This shows there is some clear shortcommings in the common sense of these botters. Image you buying a game, and then instead of playing it, have a bot play it for you. You're not reaping the rewards of that bot afterwards, you're not building up a positive reptation (which is important in PvP) and you're simply not gaining any benefit. (Many botters bot even after they have reached the HoM req for titles)
These botters are next-to retarded, in both sences of the word. They don't understand that botting, in a dead game, is of no use. On top of that, GW really isn't that hard anymore. The fact that they have to bot in such a low-competitve environment means they are terrible than terrible players.
Farms existing is NO excuse for people to farm them. If you only had to do 20 runs to get max XX title instead of 200, people would still be botting it. The problem isn't the game, it's the people. PvP botting perfectly illustrates this. PvP titles, including Champ, have lost all their credibility. Everyone within the PvP community understands this, and even alot of PvE'ers do. Yet, these people still rather have a bot play for them, than play the game themselves.
This shows there is some clear shortcommings in the common sense of these botters. Image you buying a game, and then instead of playing it, have a bot play it for you. You're not reaping the rewards of that bot afterwards, you're not building up a positive reptation (which is important in PvP) and you're simply not gaining any benefit. (Many botters bot even after they have reached the HoM req for titles)
These botters are next-to retarded, in both sences of the word. They don't understand that botting, in a dead game, is of no use. On top of that, GW really isn't that hard anymore. The fact that they have to bot in such a low-competitve environment means they are terrible than terrible players.
Aljasha
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I got banned 2 months for botting even when i was not running a bot and i ve send hundreds of mails to support but they simply say its closed and final.
The Gm's dont care if the ban bots or not they just want to ban some people. Nothing you can do about. |
majoho
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Originally Posted by Glass Of Water
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JQ, especiallyI know of one person I always see using a follow bot, that duplicates every action he takes on another ele (usually in AB). RA |
cosyfiep
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Originally Posted by Nerel
Yes, and when botting is rampant in GW2, and it will be, what will Anet's response be then? I'm guessing the same response they're giving the community now, because they'll always be busy working on the NEXT release... If they can't be bothered supporting GW1 you might want to pack an umbrella for GW2, they're going to piss all over the community again.
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(and no plans to spend money on gw2 in the first place)