[MERGED - OFFICIAL] Dueling aka 1v1

imo they could add it just to test it, and then remove it if noone likes it

I would love to see 1v1 arenas, but the problem is so many people won't understand they don't have to play it, and then they'll start complaining about hows it unfair, and this class is too good, this class is too weak, so on and so forth.

I fail to see why adding this would be a bad thing. If you don't like 1 vs 1 Arena, you don't have to play it, right?

Im making assumptions, but I came from UO too.

I dont think we are suggesting anything like an open map where you can kill anyone you see.

ganks greifers roving gangs of pks.
thats not what we are suggesting.

picture the 4v4 pick up group arena, its a town, just like that, labeled 1v1 pvp arena.

you go in the town, and have a party menu like any other, you can invite dueler, or maybe even spectators.
wheres the greif?
wheres the gank?
if you dont want to fight 1v1, dont go to the 1v1 arena.
if someone is annoying you with "duel me noob!!"
guess what? IGNORE LIST THEM

I dont get it, theres no harm really.

PS. and the reward for 1v1 arena should be a powerscroll of legendary vigor!
PPS, im joking!

The people who are opposed to a 1 vs 1 arena are imo very narrow-minded. As has been stated several times, a 1 vs 1 arena is by choice and would not hurt anyone except those who are chronic whiners. If you haven't run into a chronic whiner in real life then you must be living on an island. Regarding the people who "fear" the balance issues, uh, well, this is a "competitive" game right? I've seen and been a part of 1 on 1 battles in the arenas. It is a chance happening but it does happen. It's great fun and any class, ANY C LASS can defeat another. It really depends on what skills the player has on board and how skillfully he uses them. And btw I recently saw a "trapper" built ranger defeat a mes/necro. A long match - 15 mins. The ranger finally won by "trapping" the mesmer in then running back and pelting him with arrows. The mesmer's mobility was limited. Best match I've seen since my Diablo days.

A great mesmer would beat a great ranger. Distortion would work good enough vs a ranger until the mesmer had him locked down also.

I cant belive that this argument is still going on. After the first week of release alot of us wanted it in the game. If it does happen it will be in an expansion.




I havent read but afew posts, but if you disagree with the 1v1 arena you can say so without being a moron.

agreed 100%

I highly doubt that... It doesnt take a genius to figure a /Me could have hex breaker on, blackout puts you out of comission for any skills too.. You also have to remember.... The Me/.. can use blackout on you too. Not to mention Energy Tap, and Energy Drain making it so you can't do anything with your energy.

But I will say its not as cut and dry as Mesmer beats all. Its all dependant on the skill of the person and what build they are using. Honestly the only thing that irritates me in PVP as a Mesmer are Rangers, unless they use quickshot or other speed enhancing skills allowing empathy and spirit of failure to tear them apart.

In all honesty a hammer W/E would be more of a challenge than a W/Me, Backbreaker, aftershock, then quickly hit with a hammer ground attack. That right there is some heavy damage on a paper wearing mesmer.

Paine, I think that is a great idea! It`d be fun to challenge other players, just for fun and relaxation after all that "serious" stuff.

Rather than an arena, I'd prefer a /duel command similar to WoW, that works in Explorable Area instances. (not in missions)

For those unfamiliar with WoW, it works like this (with minor improvements from me):
- I type /duel ThatGuy. And tell him in chat to duel me.
- ThatGuy types /duel MyCharacter.
- We both get a popup Y/N window asking us to confirm the duel.
- When we press Y, there's a short countdown, and then the battle begins.
- We fight, someone wins/loses, and then we both go back to whatever health/condition we had originally.

Then again, it might have some distruptive effects on PUGs where two jerks head off and duel each other whilst the party is trying to do something. Maybe it's only allowed by party consent? We'd need a voting system in that case. Maybe too complicated. As long as it's not in missions, maybe it wont be a huge problem.

My desire for a /duel command rather than an arena is because:
1. Choosing who to duel means you can both set up 1v1 skills to handle each other, it becomes a little bit more fair.

2. In an instance, rather than an arena, you have potentially 6 spectators to cheer you on

3. You can duel for drops and stuff. Two warriors who want that gold sword? No problem :P

4. I want to resolve arguments in town by saying "Do you want to STEP OUTSIDE?!" :P Whilst bringing witnesses and spectators :P

5. You can test damage numbers, skills, etc, against various other classes, etc.

6. Certain times, the party will split up, it gives the people who are waiting something interesting to do

That would be very fun. Ah well.

Edit: Regarding 1v1 balance, as long as everyone understands /duel is as important to the game as /dance, then it's fine :P

Regarding griefers & spammers - they've already reached saturation point with other things. If you haven't learned to ignore them yet, then a couple more spams wont bother you any more than the existing spam :P

Although I'm not too familiar with WoW I like these ideas. It's doubtful that ANET will implement themexactly - egos being what they are but they could do something similiar and call it their own. Playing for item(s) would be so cool and having the satisfaction of proving a point (like stfu dude) would make alot of ppl happy. 1 vs 1 was one of the best things I liked about Diablo. It's the primary reason I played it for so long. As for the whiners, well this says it all:

I would LOVE official 1v1 areas, but agree that the negatives may indeed outweigh the positives. However, I came up with a way that could address the biggest concerns:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=24533

BTW, some of us get together for 1v1 action already! Come to Droknar's Arena in the international district. It's a ghost town except for the occasional 1v1 battles that people form teams for. Come by and get beat down, then you can come back here and say you've changed your mind about 1v1 being officially implemented.

Excatly. And a 1vs1 doesnt need a stand alone SERVER !! So its not a capaci, question.

Yestr. i played in the team arena. After 10 Wins, the last one was excatly a 1vs1.

the opp. Warr. asked if some1 ( a W like me ) meet him in the middle of the map.
I said yes and after beating a Monk, we started i wait for a bout 1min to get a low Health and used GB Skill, bang he was under 50 % and under 20 sec some Power Attacks and 1 Final Thurst bb.

What I suggest Guild Wars should add is a system in the guild hall where you and your guild can make teams and duel each other for practice so you and your team can figure out different strageties with each other to use to duel other guilds or teams(but it wont effect faction or experience points just incase your cheating ). It should be in the form of Tomb of Primevals or Team Arenas except only you and your guild members are aloud. Just for practice for the people that are not ready to go out to the public and show their skills.
What do you all think?

1v1 would be a VERY VERY VERY VERY great idea. Ever thought about changing skills to counter your weakness? Sure a mesmer can use backfire on a caster, but doesnt mean u cant interupt it? You can just wait till backfire is gone, OR better yet, just interupt it. OR if that doesnt convince you, what about the skills you bring? Just because you have a healer monk, doesnt mean you can't do anything except heal yourself. That is why they have refund points and other skills you can use. A ranger can kill a warrior if the ranger has the right skills in his/her belt. A warrior can kill a ranger if he/she has the right skills in his/her belt. You dont always have to bring the same skills you use in team arenas. Bring skills that help yourself.

The game is not balanced or designed for 1v1 play. Flat out. Furthermore, Guild Wars does not need something that fosters a lack of emphasis on a team dynamic and teamwork, since so many people are already incredibly lacking in that department. 1v1 is really nothing more than people wanting to ego trip on their ability to p0wn in a setting that has zero relevance, impact, or place in the game. It will only serve to make people -worse- teammates, and foster more bad attitudes.

I really, really like this idea. I always want to spar against my guildies, and theres no real way except be on seperate teams in arena and hope you get lucky. It'd also be cool if you (under this system) could invite people from outside the guild to your guild hall in case you were a man short, or even to screen them for admission.

Plus this would be the perfect place to implement 1v1 combat, becuase its just "practice" and therefore Anet would not have to balance it.

i dont know what kind of teams/team-mates you've been running with but most of the people i meet in GW are not on an "ego trip". they are people who want to have fun. my guild mates have very good attitudes concerning team work and team dynamic but we consider having fun an important part of what we do. having a 1vs1 arena is not tantamount to summoning Satan - that is what games like WoW are for. it is a way for people to have fun.

You misinterpreted me. I was referring to 1v1 as very conducive to ego tripping.

Secondly, this doesn't change the fact that the game isn't balanced for 1v1 play, and that's what it really comes down to. Technically, for example, going into Ascalon arena with full Droknar's armor is a way for some people to have fun, but the game really isn't designed for that, now is it?

Guild Wars is the title, but the Guild part feels a little broken. If you put something that has an MMO aspect in the title, then spend half of the time focusing on that aspect. World of Warcraft had every little detail of the Warcraft world in the game(hence the title). This idea will put the Guild back in Guild Wars.

gah I want Guld practice.

WE need more stuff for Guilds

What I suggest Guild Wars should add is a system in the guild hall where you and your guild can make teams and duel each other for practice so you and your team can figure out different strageties with each other to use to duel other guilds or teams(but it wont effect faction or experience points just incase your cheating ). It should be in the form of Tomb of Primevals or Team Arenas except only you and your guild members are aloud. Just for practice for the people that are not ready to go out to the public and show their skills.
What do you all think?

Yea, thats a great idea! I agree /signed

although suggested but still a important idea to implement

I've been thinking about this for a while, and I'd really like to see it added -- some form of 1v1 arena. I'm not talking about guild scrimages, 1v1 or otherwise, so please leave that out of this thread.

Here's the idea: Imagine a 1v1 arena. It has it's own starting zone, just like the 4v4/teams/HoH does now. There's a 2nd part to it though. Specatators may enter - there would be an entrance fee - and they could watch the battles. It could be 1v1 PvP, PvE (NPC gladiators), and/or PvE (creatures like hydras, golems, drakes, etc). Maybe if someone got on a long winning streak, they would start to face tougher challenges like 1v2, or having to fight "blind" or "bleeding" and so on.

I know GW is not necessarily balanced for 1v1, but think of it this way: there were certain types of fighters in the Roman Colosseum... i.e. you probably wouldn't have seen a monk. Because of this, I wouldn't make the reward for winning in 1v1 very much if anything at all... it would be more for bragging rights and entertainment/reason to spend gold. You could even allow the spectators to gamble on the fights (assuming that's technically feasible).

What does everyone think?

like it. its been mentioned numerous times before. My monk can kill anyone or thing who doesn't have heavy enchant stripping so monks should be allowed.

Right, I think all classes should be allowed. I was trying to use the monk as an example (but prob failed miserably.... it's late and I'm 1/4 awake ) to say this: when you think of gladiators, you think of roughly a warrior type. Since dueling isn't the focus/point of GW, there may be unbalances, but keeping the reward small makes this more for entertainment and I think could be really interesting from a RP aspect too.

Hey I would love it. Just pointing out that a monk can be the ultimate solo warrior. I mean what other classes can solo the underworld?

This is far from an original idea and has been posted many many times already. In fact it was posted earlier today in the gladiators arena here

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=36766

Here are a few more 1v1 arena posts just in case you think this hasn't been covered.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/...highlight=arena

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/...highlight=arena

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/...highlight=arena

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/...highlight=arena

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/...highlight=arena

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/...highlight=arena

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/...highlight=arena

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I think you get the idea. No need to bring it up once again and if you weren't aware that this topic has been beaten to death then please learn to use the search function. Help keep the forums clutter free.

This demostrated to arena.net there is a need for it.

Thanks for pointing that out, Sarus. Just for the record, I have and do use the search function a lot. However, when you try searching for "1v1", you get the "very common, too long, or too short" message. So that leaves you with a ton of "arena" threads to sift through. :/

Yeah sometimes it can be hard to search for what you want. I have anunfair advantage cause I've been reading the forums since guru launched.

I did a search for "arena" in the Sardelac Sanitarium forum only (the suggestion forum) and then just looked for titles that said 1v1 in them. I think I started seeing them on the first or second page of results.

Anyway, I can understand how if you're new to the forums you won't realize your post is uber redundant. Sorry for coming across rude.

We once made 1v1 tournament with Unrated Guild match

It was pretty cool you know, it is now JUST like rock, scissor, paper. Like 1 elementalist was owning BAD but then the last match the ranger dazed him and then the E died. There was no pure healing monk - all were at least 10 atrib smiters...and almost everyone was wearing enchanment remover / condition remover

Next match part (another unrated after skill change) the Elementalist got new strategy - he begined to cast a Long spell, but canceled it so the Ranger lost his concission shot BUT was wearing dryader's defences thus survived all the impact while the ele was hoping to gather 10 mana fast :P

In 1v1 the LUCK and DECK have bigger advantage.

All I can think of when I see threads like these is this one random arena fight I was in. It was of course, a 4v4 and 3 members on each of our teams had died, leaving only 1 W/Mo fighting another W/Mo. After about 4 minutes of fighting, everyone else but me dropped. I decided I wanted to watch, however after 10 minutes of watching them beat on each other and heal up, I went to the bathroom to take a #2. I'm a guy, and I like to do things right, so of course, I was in the bathroom for 10 minutes. When I came back, they were still fighting. The only change was the stream of chat between the two had grown nastier, each stating various reasons why his build was better than the others. Some random your mommas insults were in there as well. I watched for another 5 minutes or so then decided it was a good half hour of my life I will never get back. So I logged out too.

Actually it will make a difference if each 1v1 player is given 10 skills slot instead of 8.

It is because they can get a more well-rounded build. The rock, scissor, paper effect will be minimized. More individual skill will be promoted.

For that WMo vs WMo forever thing, if they know they are going to build a 1v1 charcter, I think they will get a Hammer combo build with smite

My humble suggestion is that there should be a "Dueling Arena". This would be a 1v1 arena where you could challenge another player....aka (the one who mouths off throughout a mission). This could settle so many umm arguments. No need for faction of fame in this, just Respect...LOL. What you guys think?

I don't like it as an "arena" because Guild Wars simply isn't balanced for 1v1. For example, a mesmer will be the best, and in some cases, a monk will be unkillable. So as a form of PvP itself, then I disagree, but if you want it to settle arguments, then at best, it will probably have to be implemented very casually, not as an "official arena," probably similar to (please don't flame me for this ) the duels in WoW that can occur just about any time. And again, PvP is not balanced for 1v1, so it's very unlikely that the duels will be implemented either. So basically, sorry, it's not going to happen.

Also, if you're trying to duel a griefer or a n00b to settle a dispute, even if you win, they'll still continue with their retardation. This occurs in just about every other MMOG:
"OMG you play so lame!"
"WTFZOMG that skill is too cheap! no using it!!"
"nuh uh!! even though I lost and am obviously the retarded n00b, I'm still going to whine like a little bitch!!11!!one11one!one"

How about a generic 1v1 up to 8v8 arena where you and your opponents could choose each other ahead of time?


and no faction, etc.

Well, I don't care what people do, but I've experienced stupid crap in other games that had "dueling" abilities

Having a lvl 20 Mouth off to a Lvl 5 what is there to do about it?
Then having people saying 999999 times

DUEL OR STFU begins to get irritating, and annoying. I dunno...might just be me.