Guild Wars Update - Nov 10 and Nov 11
Aracos79
Well there's also this to consider. An enemy that's running away from an AoE is an enemy that isn't attacking you. So even if it does take you longer to kill them, their damage output should be somewhat reduced due to the time they spend scattering from AoE's.
Jaia Shadowless
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Originally Posted by BeatWolf
This is by far the best update.. A-NET you shure do know how to hit them farmers in the face
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Savio
This will be my ONLY warning: flame any more and you will be one step closer to the banstick. If a post of yours is gone (i.e. deleted), don't bother reposting it.
lg5000
hah, if it was the farmers that got hurt! A decent farmer is gonna adapt their build or farm somewhere else.
The CASUAL player though.. or the fire ele.. is the one that got screwed over... actually, anyone who made use of an aoe at any stage of the game probably got screwed.
The CASUAL player though.. or the fire ele.. is the one that got screwed over... actually, anyone who made use of an aoe at any stage of the game probably got screwed.
Faith In Madness
The only reason i started playing GW is because it looked a little bit funner than WoW.Now its not.After having a tiring day its just fun to go around killing things while yawning.i'm also glad this topic isnt a flame war.
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Thanks for monitering it Savio
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Thanks for monitering it Savio
Mr D J
eh have i ever said that??? i said they nerfed solo monks and like everything
they nerfed mesmers(long ago), nukers, smiters(many times already), spikers
they nerfed all pve farming system... is that any good?
i dunno if some people like it but personally i hate it
now all thats left for me from the game is pvp
gj anet that was the best update ever keep it up
nerf pvp next
also now i dont think that anyone will ever buy rago's flame staff for 100k i dont think it will even go for 20...
they nerfed mesmers(long ago), nukers, smiters(many times already), spikers
they nerfed all pve farming system... is that any good?
i dunno if some people like it but personally i hate it
now all thats left for me from the game is pvp
gj anet that was the best update ever keep it up
nerf pvp next
also now i dont think that anyone will ever buy rago's flame staff for 100k i dont think it will even go for 20...
brokendaylite
personaly i hate this new update. they made farming dead.wat do u do after u have beaten the game with 3 chars? my fourth chars quests are soo boring. i love guild wars. PvP just isnt for me. farming is wat kept it alive. i hade a discussion about the update in augury with a bunch of players. all of them seemed to hate it.same in droks.i understand that they are making it more challenging but where do they expect us lvl 20s, who have done everything there is to be done (quests that is) to do now?
QuixotesGhost
I'll have to come Anets defense and say that I don't think Anet did this to nerf farming.
There have been MANY complaints that PvE is too easy. IMO, that's party becuase the answer to 90% of what you face in PvE is "drop meteor shower on head".
Methinks Anet might have taken it a bit too far tho...
There have been MANY complaints that PvE is too easy. IMO, that's party becuase the answer to 90% of what you face in PvE is "drop meteor shower on head".
Methinks Anet might have taken it a bit too far tho...
Digital Bath
You know they could easily solve all of this by implementing Aggro into the game. I mean real aggro, not the kind that we have in game now. Get a warrior and deep wound an enemy, cause a lot of hate, and the monster sticks to that person. It works like that in most games that are successful and you almost never hear people complain. Learn how to control your nuking and healing and that's all it will take.
Mr D J
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Originally Posted by QuixotesGhost
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curserwigger
I can't understand why anyone would be happy with this update. I want to see some good reasons why this update is good to some not just some people coming on here saying i love it.....way to go anet. Come on discuss it.
DeathDealer
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Originally Posted by curserwigger
I can't understand why anyone would be happy with this update. I want to see some good reasons why this update is good to some not just some people coming on here saying i love it.....way to go anet. Come on discuss it.
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Mr D J
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Originally Posted by curserwigger
I can't understand why anyone would be happy with this update. I want to see some good reasons why this update is good to some not just some people coming on here saying i love it.....way to go anet. Come on discuss it.
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lg5000
I want to know how this affects someone in the first part of the game... say they want to play an ele... they start with.. FIRESTORM!!! which by the sounds of things, is now usless. If anyone has a char in the beginning part of the game where you can pretty much get only fire-ele skills, let me know how it's working out for you.
Joe L.
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Originally Posted by curserwigger
I can't understand why anyone would be happy with this update. I want to see some good reasons why this update is good to some not just some people coming on here saying i love it.....way to go anet. Come on discuss it.
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curserwigger
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Originally Posted by Savio
This will be my ONLY warning: flame any more and you will be one step closer to the banstick. If a post of yours is gone (i.e. deleted), don't bother reposting it.
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Faith In Madness
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Originally Posted by curserwigger
I can't understand why anyone would be happy with this update. I want to see some good reasons why this update is good to some not just some people coming on here saying i love it.....way to go anet. Come on discuss it.
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Exactly.Heres what they usually say.
Way to go anet.....Way to kill the farmers i love it !
Racthoh
Griffons was ruined, oh well. Glad I found other spots to make money. I just hope what was said about Hundred Blades isn't true or else may complicate matters (way to make a hated elite ever more hated).
I *hope* that groups will be more diverse, although I've pretty much stopped pugging entirely due to the overall egos that everyone is sporting nowadays. From the way it sounds, the strategy that a lot of players have been learning is completely obsolete? I'm all for change, but completely reworking the mechanics behind the system just doesn't seem like the best approach to the situation.
The idea behind it, makes sense, but it wasn't implemented correctly IMO. Warrior enemies shouldn't flee, that's stupid. How else are they supposed to deal damage? Stick 7 rangers with 1 ele and drop a meteor shower then a firestorm. You're looking at like a 20 second window to kill everything. The fact you stick on Balthazar's Aura and you're dying target becomes like Moses to the water is just silly. Do the enemies still attack when they have Empathy and Spiteful Spirit on them? Do spellcasters still whip out spells as fast as possible when they have Backfire on them? Why target, JUST the AoE spells?
Think about how much stronger warriors and rangers are now that targets are constantly fleeing. We're looking at constant critcal hit damage. 7 warriors and a smiting monk with double echoed Balthazar's Aura. Exploit it while you can if this is how it truly works.
I *hope* that groups will be more diverse, although I've pretty much stopped pugging entirely due to the overall egos that everyone is sporting nowadays. From the way it sounds, the strategy that a lot of players have been learning is completely obsolete? I'm all for change, but completely reworking the mechanics behind the system just doesn't seem like the best approach to the situation.
The idea behind it, makes sense, but it wasn't implemented correctly IMO. Warrior enemies shouldn't flee, that's stupid. How else are they supposed to deal damage? Stick 7 rangers with 1 ele and drop a meteor shower then a firestorm. You're looking at like a 20 second window to kill everything. The fact you stick on Balthazar's Aura and you're dying target becomes like Moses to the water is just silly. Do the enemies still attack when they have Empathy and Spiteful Spirit on them? Do spellcasters still whip out spells as fast as possible when they have Backfire on them? Why target, JUST the AoE spells?
Think about how much stronger warriors and rangers are now that targets are constantly fleeing. We're looking at constant critcal hit damage. 7 warriors and a smiting monk with double echoed Balthazar's Aura. Exploit it while you can if this is how it truly works.
brokendaylite
my ele in presearing is worthless....fire ball makes them run. firestorm makes them run. the only thing saving me is that earlier i got some mesmer skills. again....GOOD JOB ANET for scewing eles and farmers OVER!
Whosaidwhatnow
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Originally Posted by Paradigm
I have seen mighty games fall in the wake of updates "City of heroes, Wow, Everquest 1 & 2" and have played all until patches preventing me from otherwise. I believe the only thing that this game has going for it now is the fact that you dont pay 15 dollars a month to play it. But before long, that wont matter to ANYONE.
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Good point. I played Ultima Online back in the day, when it first shipped. Everyone bitched and bitched and bitched about it, but they all stayed... chaos and disorder is far more interesting than peace and harmony. When Origin finally relented and "nerfed" everything to appease the whiners, everyone left and the game completely imploded. If ANet becomes one of those nerf-everything type of companies, this game isn't going to last. It's happened so many times before, to other games, its merely a matter of time.
I can tell you that I'm done with PvE if this update sticks, and quitting the game entirely won't be far behind. I don't mean this in a spoiled-brat type of way, I just can't see myself spending hundreds of hours playing a game where the rug could be pulled out from under me at any time.
Lasareth
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Originally Posted by curserwigger
If I may ask politely, why would you ban someone for flaming? Isn't that something people do on forums? Please explain that.
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curserwigger
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Originally Posted by Lasareth
There are many other ways to support your argument than with "you're a fathead." It's your responsibility as a poster to be reasonable and tasteful in your posts, and abide by the rules. Support your reasons with logic and not namecalling.
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DeathDealer
I am giving Anet 1 week to reverse this one and I (and 7 of my friends are quitting this game forever.....I love this game but this update totally screwed people like me who thouroughly enjowed every aspect of this game....but now?.....forget it
twicky_kid
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Originally Posted by Jaia Shadowless
Good point, and I'd hate to see this thread devolve into a flame war. But one of the reasons that I bought GW is because I hated the limitations on viable builds in D2. I'm starting to feel that GW is the same way -- not because you can't change your build, but because you're continually having to change based on the decrees of the devs.
I played a fire ele because I ENJOYED it. Changing to Water/Earth would not be as fun (for me) as a different character class. Didn't they tell us that any was you chose to play could be viable, if only you had the skill to use it well? No longer true. |
now you don't like the game b/c now you have to change the build. LOL, so what exactly do you want? When you get it will you complain about that.
this isn't too much of a change and the bugs will be worked out. the devs can make w/e changes they want to when every they want to. if it doesn't work out they way they wanted to then it will be changed. you can't be completely sure they ment for 1 shot AOE spells to be affected by the AI. you change one thing you get something unexpected. it is way too early to judge how much of a change this will be. from what i've played it hasn't changed much.
the thing that gets me is that people are complaining about them foes RUNNING. are you kidding me!!!! if they are running they are not attacking you or trying to chase you down. so now all my aoe skills have turned into don't attack me for 10 seoncds. don't see a downside here since majority of ele spells are ranged.
best nukers on game are not even ele. get over and learn new tricks.
MultimediaJay
Just killed two Charr with Frozen Burst. I like this. The monsters do things similar to what we do, and people who want to scatter battalions can do so without much of a fight.
Keep them coming, NCSoft.
Keep them coming, NCSoft.
Mr D J
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Originally Posted by brokendaylite
my ele in presearing is worthless....fire ball makes them run. firestorm makes them run. the only thing saving me is that earlier i got some mesmer skills. again....GOOD JOB ANET for scewing eles and farmers OVER!
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700k xp, 15k aero set (almost got FoW thank god i didnt), cleared out fow and uw many times - dead now
calamitykell
They ruined this game??
I fail to see how this update affects my Mesmer in PvE at all. Hell, I'm sure most Necros aren't even affected by this. Someone above mention Zealot's Fire is pretty much a "go away" card for Monks now.
So who's complaining? The fire Ele's, and only the fire Ele's. Oh, and the farmers. I'll admit I used my Me/Mo to farm a little, but I'm not addicted to it like some seem to be.
Now Warriors and Rangers will have to cripple/knockdown. An elementalist will have to Deep Freeze while another elementalist uses fire nukes. Now Mesmers will have to carry Imagined/Ethereal Burden.
OH MY GOD, TEAMWORK, HOW DARE THEY TRY TO MAKE IT PART OF THE GAME.
I say good update, ANet. Keep 'em coming.
BTW, I play PvE exclusively, and I have an ele. I still love it.
I fail to see how this update affects my Mesmer in PvE at all. Hell, I'm sure most Necros aren't even affected by this. Someone above mention Zealot's Fire is pretty much a "go away" card for Monks now.
So who's complaining? The fire Ele's, and only the fire Ele's. Oh, and the farmers. I'll admit I used my Me/Mo to farm a little, but I'm not addicted to it like some seem to be.
Now Warriors and Rangers will have to cripple/knockdown. An elementalist will have to Deep Freeze while another elementalist uses fire nukes. Now Mesmers will have to carry Imagined/Ethereal Burden.
OH MY GOD, TEAMWORK, HOW DARE THEY TRY TO MAKE IT PART OF THE GAME.
I say good update, ANet. Keep 'em coming.
BTW, I play PvE exclusively, and I have an ele. I still love it.
Jormund
People complain PvE is to easy, that the AI is to stupid and incapable of being the least bit challenging. The AI gets a buff allowing to escape its probably biggest weakness, being retarded and standing in AoE effects. PvE gets harder as a result, and you complain.
People in GW like to complain when the game (PvE end) gets harder in any aspect, they also like to complain when it doesn't.
People in GW like to complain when the game (PvE end) gets harder in any aspect, they also like to complain when it doesn't.
pcgnus
Maybe the reason was Anet wants to weed the population out. I mean playing the game is bandwidth, bandwidth cost money, spending money is never fun. So Anet pushes this out, makes people leave, bandwidth goes down, Anet makes more money. There the supply and demand. Anet wants to drive the people away that have finished the game over and over, because they are the ones costing them money now. Think of it You buy the game. pay your money and Anet has a built in cost of that game for bandwidth. You exceed your bandwidth limit they built in because you play for days and days. now they need to get rid of the ones costing them money, not the new poeple who do not buy the game tommorrow or the next day, because Anet will make the moneyt from them, thats until they need to run them off. I for one am switching to WOW even if it costs me monthly.
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EternalTempest
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Originally Posted by curserwigger
I can't understand why anyone would be happy with this update. I want to see some good reasons why this update is good to some not just some people coming on here saying i love it.....way to go anet. Come on discuss it.
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The longer it takes to go through the game, the ok beat game what's next will be longer.
It forces players to be smarter in game that advertises skill vs grind.
They have stated over and over again this is a game with both elements of PvE and PvP. It also helps prepare you to be more realistic about PvP.
It opens up different character skills, forces more focus fire.
The ones this won't affect are the people that don't use AOE or new players.
People are getting ticked that the game difficulty got turned up and lot of people just don't like changes anyway. I play pure fire ele, this affect me directly the changes. If I don't like ele anymore, will try another job. The one who adapt will be killer ele still.
PvP Player go throught this a lot with FOTM builds.
jonnybegood
farming IMHO is not nerfed at all, if any thing it's easier(i have my reasons) but now my warrior farms with warrior skills not monk aoe's. and it seems it's alot easier.
so all in all i think people will be a lil more creative.... "hopefully"
so all in all i think people will be a lil more creative.... "hopefully"
Faith In Madness
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Originally Posted by Lasareth
There are many other ways to support your argument than with "you're a fathead." It's your responsibility as a poster to be reasonable and tasteful in your posts, and abide by the rules. Support your reasons with logic and not namecalling.
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Exactly.I couldnt explain it right so im glad you did
Mr D J
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Originally Posted by DeathDealer
I am giving Anet 1 week to reverse this one and I (and 7 of my friends are quitting this game forever.....I love this game but this update totally screwed people like me who thouroughly enjowed every aspect of this game....but now?.....forget it
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IncrediStud
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Originally Posted by Samueldg
2. is it Anets goal to alienate a portion of adult players who enjoy the simplicity of farming? this seems counter to our thoughts since we tend to be a very loyal game base and many of us had played diablo for FIVE YEARS PLUS... yet every patch seems to have an impact at farming... by reducing farming you in effect increase the EULA violations ( more people will now buy from e-bay sellers because its now difficult to gather any real quantity of gold to buy armors and dyes) remember the 25+ crowd have money.. we're are mostly professionals who own homes and play on-line games because well TV sucks...dont you want our money? |
Former Ruling
Few Questions:
- I know it works on things like Meteor Shower and Firestorm.
- Does it really make things spread from Balt's Aura, Symbol of Wrath, Zealot's Fire and such? Darn..its harsh if it does.
- Most importantly to me..Does it effect the monsters when I use Barrage bow attack?
- I know it works on things like Meteor Shower and Firestorm.
- Does it really make things spread from Balt's Aura, Symbol of Wrath, Zealot's Fire and such? Darn..its harsh if it does.
- Most importantly to me..Does it effect the monsters when I use Barrage bow attack?
Elistan Theocrat
The reaction of so many to this patch can be summed up in so few words...
CHANGE!?!@??!??@!!! OMFG THE SKY IS FALLING!!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!! OMFG!!!
Good Lord, ADAPT. Changes happen in every game, and no change is going to please everyone. Regardless of the changes, theres very little that the devs can actually change that the players have NO ability to cope with by changing tactics... Yes I know, for those poor picked on farmers it means they may need to do something other than what they've been doing over and over and over... the sky is falling....
CHANGE!?!@??!??@!!! OMFG THE SKY IS FALLING!!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!! OMFG!!!
Good Lord, ADAPT. Changes happen in every game, and no change is going to please everyone. Regardless of the changes, theres very little that the devs can actually change that the players have NO ability to cope with by changing tactics... Yes I know, for those poor picked on farmers it means they may need to do something other than what they've been doing over and over and over... the sky is falling....
Mr D J
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Originally Posted by Former Ruling
Few Questions:
- I know it works on things like Meteor Shower and Firestorm. - Does it really make things spread from Balt's Aura, Symbol of Wrath, Zealot's Fire and such? Darn..its harsh if it does. - Most importantly to me..Does it effect the monsters when I use Barrage bow attack? |
jonnybegood
yes and i don't know.
judge1121
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Originally Posted by Joker The Owner
yep all smiting skills are dead
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Aracos79
Seriously... the overreaction is pretty amusing. Adjust, adapt, develop new strategies. Just because you can't "echo nuke" everything in the game now doesn't mean that it's the end of the world.
For example, use the scattering effect against them. Drop AoE's to temporarily break aggro. If your warrior is getting pummeled, drop a Firestorm around him to buy him a second to catch his breath. Use rangers to put traps around to damage them as they run. Warriors can use things like Bull Strike to actually hurt things now. Try to look at possibilities that have been opened, not old ones that have been closed.
For example, use the scattering effect against them. Drop AoE's to temporarily break aggro. If your warrior is getting pummeled, drop a Firestorm around him to buy him a second to catch his breath. Use rangers to put traps around to damage them as they run. Warriors can use things like Bull Strike to actually hurt things now. Try to look at possibilities that have been opened, not old ones that have been closed.