Just how ARE you supposed to make money?

(-By playing the game -) = Lvl 20 + Completed + FoW/UW occasionally = Not very much tbh

(-HoH -) = Be correct rank + GET to tombs + beat ghosts + get to HoH + get an item = Not very easy for a relatively new player

(-Run ppl -) = 90% slower. = No, just no.

(-Farm -) = Take 30 mins to kill what used to take 3 mins = Forget it

(-Trade -) = Take your TIME = Is this the only way that ANet wants us to make money? Besides, this and farming are basically linked.

I suppose most of these are to do with time... i know i didnt but an MMo to play occasionally, but this is ridiculous.

Nice ploy by ANet to get us to play for longer? Not sure to be honest

or any game for me.

i got Dungeon Seige years ago and a lot of the fun went out of it when i found out how to duplicate items (no i did not pass it around) and it was so easy to *just this once* to trick out a new character rather than playing it .

the challenge was gone even if i played it because i knew that with a bit of code i could stop wasteing time doing this and have everything.

"A penny saved is a penny earned" always works for me. Never buy anything other than simple basic stuffs or necessary upgrades from any human trader. They trade for only one reason: to make you poorer and themselves richer.

I have to say, Bill Gates was not made by saving his pennies.

PS i dont want anyone saying bill gates this bill gates that, its dumb

I agree, he was made by his mum and dad

It has been repeated a zillion times now: "You do not need 15K armour"

I do not 'need' it, I know. But am I really such a fool to 'want' it? Perhaps all people who want something to wear to look good are fools. Vanity is a sin, and all that. But people enjoy looking cool. Maybe you think that is really stupid of them, as they should not care about how they look to others. If you think that, you are going to have a hard time understanding most inhabitants of the real world. I suggest you move to the planet Vulcan.

The things you have to do to get the 15K (let alone the Fissure armours) are BORING (farming a hell of a lot lot, solo-farming a lot or trading a lot). Some people like it. Good for them. But for me this represents a grind.

An auction house would make getting 15K armour a lot easier for me. That is why I want Anet to put one in the game soon. I do not NEED them to put one in, I WANT them to put one in. And I think the game would be more fun if they did for a lot of casual (PVE)-players, a type of player that is underrepresented on forums such as these.

an auction house would be great.

but for now im getting by okay. i have a guildie that i go two peroson uw farming with(maybe once or twice a week, 2 man is much more entertaining than solo. its good to have a friend with ya), and every once in awhle i hop into fissure(with a full party) hoping to get a shard.
within a couple of runs, we almost always have an ecto apiece from the uw. after about a week, i usually have enough for most of the pieces of the 15k armor i want, because i SALVAGE EVERYTHING i dont want, hence, my storage is full of materials. if i dont have want i want, i go to a crafter(parchment is sooo much cheaper if crafted for 5wood and 20g), or sell materials i dont need for the ones i do. this has successfully helped me get 3 sets of 15k armor, and im working on a fourth. to those who want fissure armor...i really dont know what to tell you, you have to be an e-bayer, or REALLY hardcore to get it...and i honestly like the 15k better

and if you honestly cant be bothered grinding for the most expensive armour in the game, then you cant want it that badly.

You may not need it, but if you want it so badly, you would do what it takes to get it.

I honestly dont see a problem here, people are complaining because theres something in a game thats hard to get, because most of them want it to be handed to them.

The reason so many people are arguing over it, is because its a fundamental, some people think you should have to put in alot of time to buy the best* armour, some dont.

*I use the term best loosely, as far as Im concerned, if you want it so bad, it must be the best armor to you, and thus should be worth the time it takes to get it. Im not just talking about armour statistics, here

they said an auction house (or workable equivalent) is in the works.

they also said it would come AFTER OBSERVER MODE as they want to get it right the first time and not have your items go poof or have a slipped decimal point.

i hope before chapter 2 or it might be introduced along with chapter 2.

you will not need chapter 2 for any auction system they come up with.

it will be here but not quickly. (hope i am wrong)

Yes. If I wanted it badly enough, I would have gotten it by now. But I don't want it badly enough to go through the grind for it. I would if it was a case of having to complete 5 hard quests or missions. But it is having to trade a lot or farm a lot. And I do not think those are activities worthy of my time. So I go without.

Yes, some people want the grind, some people dislike the grind. I dislike it. THat is why GW is mostly a great game for me. I just think it is a pitty that the 15K armours are hard to obtain for non-grind-loving players like me. And I repeat, and auction system would help a lot.

IMHO, the problem here is not the Ascended armour. The Ascended armour is extremely reasonably priced, even the most expensive complete set, Warriors Platemail, runs to about 90 plat in total. And at 15 plat to 20 plat per piece, its a goal that any player can work towards with achievable stages.

The problem lies more in items that are SINGULARLY ridiculously expensive - Fissure armour pieces, certain greens and items. These items cost well over 100K (or in the case of certain Fissure pieces, in excess of 250 plat). That's an incredibly hefty investment, and such a single huge sum is something that seems incredibly distant and remote to most players.

Basically, the problem is that there's no in between - 15K is a achievable target, but beyond that, prices take a steep jump, and there's no happy medium ground for players to work towards. Pre-nerfs, there was, since money (and ecto) flowed reasonably well. Now? The next goal requires an exponential investment in time, something that's extremely disheartening.

Oh, and for the usual spiel of it being the player's choice to obtain these items, and the usual rebuttal that Collectors offer similarly powered items, those arguments are BLATANTLY FALSE in many cases. Where are the collectors for items with stats like Brohn's Rod? Malinon's Shield? A 15>50 axe? That's right - they don't exist.

Couldnt have put it better

I like to open chests and keys cost money. Hence my problem ha.

Basically what I do is when one toon is full of items to sell, I switch to a new toon and by the time the second toon is full of items I usually have sold two or three of items on the first character. The rest get salvaged. This helps to maintain some gold flow for my keys muahaha

thanks to the farming , I had to gain more 1000k .I wanted to have the Fow armor . Now I cannot any more

Pve is dead !

I don't see the issue, do you have a better idea?

Getting Money:

1. Chest runs, buy some keys, skill to warrior as second class, get some running skills and just get those crates.

2. While publicly wide known Monkbuild with Bonettis Defense/smiting does not work any longer, there are still monks that can easily farm 12k per hour.
Underworld farming is also still possible in two man teams. (Expect 1 ekto every 100 opponents, which is around every hour.) I know this, because I do this, think a little for yourself and you will come up with a workable build.

3. some warrirors try to farm Ettins for runes these days, but the gold/hour yield is too low in my opinion.

4. Go to the fissure first. You can create a medium sized team of non quitters (6 people), sure shards are of less value than ektos but they drop more regularly. But only the Fissure can give you golden Chaos Axes from Crates, plus it is very easy to play by using the book to lure enemies.
You can earn a lot there if you really salvage all your drops, convert them to vellum and sell them off to the rare mat. trader. (regular salvage kits will suffice)

Do this and you will be able to shell out on all the 15k armors you ever wanted. As for the FoW armor: It sucks farming it, always has, always will. Consumes too much time, if some got lucky when the prices reset who cares.
Think of it: The person who stated tat he bought the ectos for aroun 1k when the prices reset. He claims he still has 500 of them. So he already had 500k+ WHEN the prices reset. He was by no means poor. He just got even richer.

The biggest problem I see, is henge swords and axes.

These items are very very desirable to PvP players especially, and as they have now been taken out of the game the price is going nowhere but up. It was a bad move to have them IN the game, but why a-net decided to take them out is beyond me. The same also goes for the 20% rockmoulders.

As far as armour goes, it IS your choice to buy fissure. It has no practical advantages what so ever over normal armour. Green weapons and items? Theres only two or three that are better than PvP items, and if we aren't talking about PvP, whats the big deal? Its not like a few percent off perfect makes any difference in PvE.

rockmoulder and henge swords at not that groundbreaking. they have their advantages yes but its not a huge advantage. the henge sword you want for the 20% longer enchantments. still not a big deal so your enchantments last 2-6 seconds longer. that is not groudbreaking. rockmoulder is good but not overly too powerful. the 10% version is still around. since they were removed from the game they are now considered rare. rare doesn't make it too powerful.

those items do not make or break a team. all comes down to skills and runes. always has always will.

The majority of other things are available from collectors. Some things aren't (most notably a rod for Healing bonus) but the rest of the gear most people will use is available at not too great a cost e.g. Battle axes from shiverpeaks/desert 15% while in enchanted/stance, and the crimson carapace shield -2 while in stance, as well as various other items such as fire wands/artefacts, monk offhand items, mesmer staffs/canes/etc. Again, things like Brohn's Holy Rod are great if you are lucky/rich enough to get one but can't be considered essential.

Point is quite a lot of things which are sold at ridiculous prices e.g. gold items and even a good number of green ones, the collector gear is usually better in terms of stats.

Well, I'd like to remind people that money is also needed to buy skills which are pretty expensive after the recent price changes. I made about 100k total with my first character after release by just playing PvE without any farming except for some collector's stuff. After a 2 months break I started a 2nd and 3rd character to unlock most of the skills for PvP because it's still faster than buying everything with faction (I prefer using it for mods/runes). Since I'm not a dedicated PvP player I finished all missions and quests along the way although I didn't explore the maps fully like the first time. At the end of the game my character still lacks about 30 normal skills which cannot be obtained by skill quests. That's 30k gold which you need cash to buy them plus 7.5k for Droknar's armour (and some spare gold for armour along the way if you don't pay runners). Due to being "forced" to buy signets of capture for the elite skills you use up the early cheap prices for skills rather quickly and are left with the max. prize at the end.

If my math doesn't totally fail me that's above 100k a player would need but the drops seem to be far worse than after release because I have to fund new characters with money from the first one. They don't earn enough money to get along fully by themselves. ANet seems to have imposed a gold grind on regular players who don't need/want Fissure Armour, godly weapons or whatever but the regular joe who plays the game and maybe plans to switch to PvP.

I don't mind farmers who wish to buy some rare vanity items but I really wish ANet would not harm the legendary casual player in their quest to drain gold out of the economy.