The Biggest Jerk You Ever Encountered in GW (no posting names)

While playing with my ranger, I was actually denied healing after I refused to buy a crappy gold bow from one of the monks on our team.

This guy was amusing. He joined our Chest Run group (Mo/W 55hp runner). The group rushed a bit so he ended up dieing before he got off the starting blocks (his own fault for picking such a stupid class to run FoW with!).

After moaning constantly for a while, it got to the stage where he started calling me a noob. He even started saying i didn't know what a 55hp monk was... the name itself gives a bit away. My personal favourite here was when he starting asking 'are you 5 or 6?'. Then 5 seconds later started spamming 'nooooob' in team chat. I just turned off team chat and asked him a minute later if he was still going as i'd turned team chat off. Then he left. Checking team chat afterwards he'd started filling the bar with 'oooooooooo.... etc'.

Kitty, i do love a caller who just won't shut up... when i do Barrage teams i really do call every target, but i only do it once, its the ones who think you need to spam every target 5x that are truly annoying. Although so far i haven't met a caller who when told to stop spamming didn't go off on 1 (usually leaving later on).

Man I love 55s in the Fissure. One on our team died once, and everyone had rebirth, so we just dragged him around with us. It was fun. We took turns chain rebirthing him. We dragged him all the way to the spider cave before he left.

Good times.

Our guild has a "Hall of Shame" sticky post on our forums. It is constantly updated with names of idiots and their actions which lead them to be posted.

Helpful to steer clear of those who demonstrate "unsportsman-like behavior"

I have to say that up until today (i've been playing since release) i have never met anyone who i can't talk to and sort whatever the problem is out with. Now i just bought factions and am doing the second mission in the newbie area. Now, I realize that some people haven't played this game much (this is after all the beginning zone) so i go into the mission with a lot of tolerance.

We have 1 monk and me (a rt/mo). i only had two healing spells, since i was told to play more for damage. We start the mission and everything goes fine for a while. Then we get to the first set of bosses. Now these bosses are unessential so our group decides to bypass them. this ranger then decides that he wants a a 2% bonus and starts attacking the boss and all 5 of the minions surrounding him. At the same time we had just aggroed a pretty big mob and were strung out. We go back and try to help the ranger out like a nice team.

At this point the ranger runs to the back of the group passing the aggro directly onto me and the healer. The group then starts dying... first the monk, then me and the rest of the team besides him. He runs away and starts calling us F***ing noobs because we all suck since we died. He doesn't seem to realize that his armor is built stronger, and he just passed the aggro onto us. He then goes on to say he is the master at guild wars and is better than all of us at everything ("What skills are you using anyway f***ing noob monk?") Half the group leaves....

At this point I say "This is the reason monks don't like pugs"

His reply... "Whats a pug?"

*ahem*


This thread is talking about jerks, not about being one.

Back on topic please.

K, a new jerk trio today and strangely, the jerkism seemed to spread through the group.. which made me wonder, was I really at fault? But then I look back across the dozens of screen shots I made, and I really see no need for this kind of abuse that only stems from the greed of a couple people.

Were doing Nahpui Quarter... the group is actually misbalanced and we have an error 7 right off the bat, 3 of the people in the group seem to know each other, and we have 2 monk henchies, with myself, as ritualist. We go through the last portal and get not even to the first boss before the unofficial group leader spies a chest. They clear the immediate area, and then proceed to use their keys on the chest, finding its a gold, the rest of the group goes for the chest. I didn't bring any keys, so I move aside and begin to set up spirits for the next group.


The leader then asks me if I can come back and open the chest for him...I said nothing and the only nuker in the group starts aggroing the second mob. The chest hungry group leader does not budge from the spot next to the chest, now saying he will continue with the mission once I come back and open the chest, get this.. "like I am TOLD to do" and then demands several more times I open the chest for him. I flat out refuse, stating, I am here for the mission, and it is not my job to open chests for anyone.

At this point I'm prepared to write off the group, as much as I hate leavers, but I quietly message the mesmer in the group, "sorry if I have to leave, but I won't put up with this crap out of people" He understands, etc and we decide to make a go of it. Not really paying attention at this point, I set about putting up my spirts mob after mob. The group leader, finally decided to give up his camping spot next to the chest and rejoin the rest of us in the mission. Of course, not without commentary.

"Zhinu you should come when you are told"

"Zhinu, you are an asshole"

"Zhinu, you sure know how to make friends"

"Zhinu doesn't need friends, Zhinu is a ritualist"

*chortle chortle*

Apparently seeing how this wasn't affecting me, they decided to make it more personal..

"Zhinu take big rock and smash head, what a stupid caveman name"

For the record, Zhinu is actually a chinese lore character. And is quite lovely, if I say so myself..

I reply with:

"It's chinese"

Which is immediately rebuked with:

"So, doesn't sound like it"
and:
"Go on, rage quit if you like"

"You're a stupid asshole anyhow"

I ignore this.. and instead said....

"Then perhaps you don't understand chinese culture, and I think you're being the ass, here"

The intelligent group, in all of their wisdom, decided they had not had enough, and must continue to cause each other to giggle..

"Zhinu, I am half chinese, you give them a bad name"

and:

"I invite you to leave"

This is all so very hilarious, that it is me, giving all of the chinese culture a bad name because I am ignoring their childish taunts.

This continues another ten minutes or so, the chatter steadily filtering down as the mesmer now quits the group.. I really can't blame him. It gets a bit rougher, but were doing pretty well until we get to all of the hexes, and the henchie monks can't keep up with those, so, I die.

Instead of rezzing me, the group continues on, with a smart ass comments like..

"Do the henchies not rez anymore?"

"Oh, did someone die, I didn't notice" meanwhile....

They all begin to die...Because they don't have the spirit, the group is now 3 people down and truth be told, they're not that good at this game..

NOW they come back to get me....

I leave the group with the message:

"Good luck to you guys, but enough of my time has been wasted already"

Later, about 10 seconds after I mapped out, I see the clever whammo in Nahpui 1.. I was already in a new group (we completed with masters) and he was saying

"GLF 4/8, people without keys have to use our keys to open chests for us!!"

I just LOL'd because honestly, doesnt that seem a bit pathetic?

If having people like that on your friends list, and in your pug group is like this, I would be perfectly content to go without any at all in this game.

Wow, what a jerk!
Henchies are such jerks.

I have a hench story too.

I was doing some escort quest and I descided to take hench, we were doing alright we got to the end of the quest and that bitch Orek refused to walk into the Conservatory. He kept running back and forth over and over, AND OVER and would not go into the conservatory.....*punch Orek*

I unded up zoning us

Geez, anet suck at what they do. Some of the quests are bugged. gg anet.

So I was monking for a PUG tonight, at Sanctum Cay. Party comprised of:

W/Mo (nice person)
Mo/W (me)
N/Mo (MM, needed lots of healing, but probably not a nice person)
R/Mo
E/Me (Used a sword and shield and tried to kill things with the sword, occasionally using conjure phantasm, but at least he wasn't a jerk)
Mo/N (Jerk. Can't spell his name, either)

Okay, PVE is easy enough with a human monk that even if people use "unique" builds that get them killed, it doesn't really matter. I managed to get through the mission before (EDIT: i.e. the mission before Sanctum Cay), with bonus with a W/Me with Backfire, 2 other humans and Stefan who had 60% DP. It just took a little longer (2+ hours), but it was fun.

So anyway, Jerk was a bit slow to load, so in the meantime Warrior picks up Scepter of Orr, then decides that it probably wasn't such a great idea, so handed it over to me, and we go kill some stuff.

Jerk finally loads, and asks for the Scepter of Orr. My build happens to do fine with 4 pips of e-regen, so... why not. Initially it seemed like a good idea, the Jerk kept spamming Healing Breeze and Heal Party. Little did we know it would haunt us later....


So we go and take the bonus and kill stuff and finally get to the Vizier. Jerk runs off and uses the lever to close the door on us. He then proceeds to pick up all the unassigned drops. And then he asks to be paid. I offer him a rune of minor smiting prayers. He asks for money. I take screenshots, leave and report. When I got back to Sanctum Cay, it turned out that the remaining members of the party paid him, and then he just left them for dead.


The funny thing was that something similar happened to me in Borlis Pass as well, with the torch. The difference is that this guy actually asked for money... I wonder if this kind of behaviour is bannable?

Great idea! Mind if I steal it for my guild's forum??

Dude, that's an awesome idea!

you can make a jerk out of any Warrior/Assassin/Melee weapon user simply using Imagined Burden.

Man.I'm such a noob for not letting you stand next to me and wail on me with combos or high damage adrenaline skills.

I'd hate to say this but recently in the Senji-Takkenhai temple bits, I keep going in parties that "Leeroy" instead of retreating when 1 big mob with Orosen, Spiritual Acolyte there, and instead of doing the honorable and retreating slightly, they have to PULL another bunch and make all of us die in the process.

Then again, it's even worse having one or 2 under-20 members in party. ALL of the mobs are level 20, so if they get killed early, I don't think they'll get salvation for it.

A note to all pre-level 20s performing "To Takkenhai Temple": Don't. You're wasitng time, and should level up to EXACTLY 20 before performing this. Trust me.

Was just doing Hells Precipice for some Skills, it was really early, so I was lucky to get a team. One of the Eles asked if I had blood, but I didn't answer, cause I was only looking with one I, still surfing. We went in, everything went find, the ele was a bit bossy, but meh. At some point the MOnk (who had constant energieproblems and pinged all the time) asked it I had bloodritual, and I said no. Still a bit later the ele spammed his energie. As I didn't react he asked:
Ele: Why doesn't the necro give energie
me: I'm NOT your battery, remember that.
Ele: I haven't goten energy once, how should I do damage.
me: not my problem, I don't have BR
me: perhaps you should learn, how to manage with the energie you have
Ele: I asked you BEVOR the mission, if you had blood
me: I HAVE blood, I'm a blood necro. But I don't have the ritual
Ele: Wow, a pro, I give up
me: well, whos the pro, with 0 energiemanagement, who has to be babysit
Ele: Its your job to give the monks and eles energie
me: NO ITS NOT YOU PAPERNOSE

we die, because the monk has no energiemanagment either, and the warriors never wait for him to regenerate.

Ele: See, it's no use without an Necro who gives energy.

At that, I leave, I never meet such an ignorant Idiot.

I get annoyed too, especially with the M/W who insist it is my job to provide to them, BR..why should I take the slot I could use for another skill, when they can't even take the thought to switch to /me. I hate relying on others for energy, I learned how to manage. So should they, imho.

lol ok..ok i just ha to respnd to this......

if he wanted you to open the chest for you you should have just agreed took the key opened the chest and refused to give him the item....(go even further as to id it scrap it and dump the waste on the ground) lol only i would do this but you dont seem like the person to do it. and i fell that there is too much racism going on in GW. actually made 3 of my friends just stop playing....personally i like my guild for this reason becuase i can ask them for help and they come to help me so i dont have to deal with a lot of PUGS.

If i was at Anet it'd probably pass for been a twat. But if it happens more than once? Perma ban i'd say...

Besides, anyone dumb enough to try and make people pay him to do that when you could pay a runner to do the entire mission for you in half the time. deserves to be banned.

As for the Torch, i'd just go do something else. You've cleared out the entire mission already, there is nowhere he can hide it. Worst thing that happened to me on that was finishing the mission with henchman then getting stuck on the 2nd Beacon at the very end when hench blocked me in

those people annoy me too, i play ele and monk and i always make sure i watch my energy, only time i've hit 0 on my ele is when my enchants get stripped. the other day i was playing nuker in a uw party with 3 monks and as soon as we got in:

monk1: does the necro have BR? i really need BR
monk2: *pings energy non-stop* BR

and they continued like that for awhile till they realised that the necro had spent the entire time while in ToA and UW saying he didn't have BR. frankly i didn't understand why they had energy problems at all considering there were 3 monks (1 was a bonder) covering 2 warriors who actually did a good job.

So, three times last night I went into try the Arborstone mission, and all three times there was a W/Mo (not saying they're all a$$holes, I have my own W/Mo) who started spamming (in mission) to buy his 'unique, rare gold dye'.

Three different times, three different W/Mo's, same bat chan-I mean gold dye.

Dumb.

Ha, I love when this happens! Actually I hate it, but I love the controversy of it. "Its a Necro's job to provide energy!" ? Well, no its not. Unless that was the agreement made before the mission or quest, nobody should expect any one else to take a certain set of skills because that is "what their profession is supposed to do".

I play a necro but I never play as MM and usually never serve as battery. I enjoy far too much going as blood damage (+ well of blood) or as a curse necro. I never say to a party that I am not an MM or SS or battery or whatever, unless that is what they specifically ask for.

I also play a ranger, and now and again I play as Beastmaster, but I never take along a weak pet to serve as fodder for a Necro in a B/P group. My pet is strong and hardly ever dies.

I also have a monk character, which I enjoy playing, but I hate having to just stare at my allies' health bars. Instead I like to smite by applying Balthazars aura (yes, it does spread the enemy but first after doing a LOT of damage) and Shield of Judgement to one or two warriors or assassins in the group. I even have been so bold as to join some PUG groups like this, where I also take along 4 healing skills, and here again is the same problem: Monks are supposed to heal or protect, not smite.

That Ele is a poor player because he/she couldn't handle a situation where extra blood energy was available. But also at fault here is the Warrior or others in the group who would not wait for the Ele to recharge. This happens all too often and is why I hate playing Ele in a Pug group. When I find myself in this situation, where the rushers in the group ignore my energy pinging, I just start sitting out every other battle (at least as far as spell casting is concerned) so I can get my energy up again.

I believe it definitely is, and if you have screenshots of him demanding money to let the party continue on with the mission, you should report him. I believe that Anet is definitely doing things to stop behavior like that, according to other stories I've read on this forum. Anet just needs proof, like screen shots.

Today seems to be idiot day, I just met worlds worst healer duo. I was doing Vizuhna-Square, got into a group with 2 monk, both in the same guild. On the way to Togo someone remarked that they were useing smitting skills, and that they better could also heal. Well, they couldn't. Half of there skills must have been smitting, they were only spamming heal group while we were under attack, always rezzing us during the fight (and there was a lot of dying going on) with REBIRTH. Sometimes they were using mending on each other. Strangely enough, we survied the fight, on our way to the 3rd, one Monk remarked that she had been doing the mission a lot, but never had to do so much .

^just met my biggest jerk today ...

i was in LA, when someone kept spamming over public chat that he can dupe pets ( sure, who doesnt know the trick ^^ ( for those who dont, you'll be told that your pet can be duped due to a inventory reboot, means you die, be rezzed, then have to put your pet on the ground and then it will be duped.. strange explaination, but whatever. you'll be rezzed by an aura, means you die when he stops maintaining the aura. then you'll be dead and will have to watch when he picks up your pet and leaves ).
knowing the trick behind it, i started this ( shortened conversation, have screens, but few would understand my langauge and his :P )

He: you have pet in your inv ?
Me: yes
He: *explains the inventory reboot trick* ok, die know
*i die*
He: ok, i'll rezz you now, you have 12 seconds to put it on the ground, otherwise inv reboot will be finished and it wont work
*rezzes me via an aura*
*i put Orrian tablet shard on the ground*
*he ends the aura, i die again*
Me: lol
Me: do you really think i'm that stupid
He: lol, kiddie
He: this is farming for those who want more than change
Me: LOL, suuuuure
He: by now i have about 50pets
Me: that today people like you still exist is realy somewhat poor
He: why ? it's funny, you get the noobs into ts, it's fun hearing them flame
Me: uber funny ....
He: when they say smth like 'i give you 5p' or 'my dad works for anet'
Me: yea, stealing, how funny
He: they don't deserve any better
Me: well, and what do people like you deserve then ?
He: lol nothing, all we do is balance the stupidity here
Me: yea, it's always fun to see an idiot trying to steal others things
He: lol well, life's hard
Me: hmm, stealing the things others worked for
He: lol, work for a pet
Me: just for your information, you get a pet after 12months
He: all you need is have a char 12months long, no one said smth of work
Me: hm, sure, you create a char at the beginning of the game, knowing that one day pets will be introduced and dont touch that char from that moment on
He: yes, it's like that
Me: i'll give you a tipp
He: no thanks
Me: best get a farmbot for your char ( explaination, his char name was like ***** the farm bot )
Me: and hope for not getting banned each day
Me: because you dont seem to be capable of more
He: lol
*i leave*

he now is property of my ignore list ... poor game that people like him still exist....

Not the biggest jerk, in fact probably a very NICE person, trying to protect others from my "scam." Just a little too quick to accuse...

Me on Trade channel (!): WTS UNID sup vigor
{whisper}
Kneejerk: lol unid sup vigor
Me: ya, your point lol
Kneejerk: quit trying to rip people off
Me: ?
Me: do you know what you are talking about?
Kneejerk: yes
Kneejerk: you can’t guarantee what you salvage will be sup vigor
Me: ya you can
Me: erm… you do realize that nothing else looks like sup vigor? that you can tell what it is?
Kneejerk: let me see it
Me: ok
*shows unid sup vigor*
Kneejerk: well I’ll be damned, must be new since factions
Me: nah, been around a while
KneejerK: I thought you can only get runes by salvaging things
Me: salvage first, don’t id
Kneejerk: gotcha

He didn’t apologize, but that’s ok. I held back the temptation to call him a total noob in public – glad neither of us ended up acting like jerks.

Happened to me every few minutes while selling mine :P

I saw someone else selling one once, told them I sympathized with them for all the accusations they'd get. We both had a good old moan in PMs about people that say 'scam' before thinking, then started talking about politics (mainly moaning about our... well, our PMs :P) for some reason.

It must be a disease... only 1 of my accusers ever apologized either.

The first time I saw that ad - way back when - I also went "Huh?" Fortunately, I was on TS with some guildies (FTW!) and asked them about it.

Nahpui Quarters mission with my MM, with another MM. Not a whole lot of bodies to share, but it's managable. I used Putrid Explosion to blow up one body which ended up killing two other enemies, both of which were usable bodies. As a matter of strategy and because the team was getting rocked. The other MM got extremely profane expressing anger because I blew up a body. It got to the point where for the first time I quit on a group because of that. Some time later he whispered me more harrassment in a passive and profane attitude, saying it was better when I left. As if I cared what happens afterwards.

I got in an argument with somone the other day during a mission. Long story short, there where two monks and i was the battery. I was using BiP and we all know that really takes alot out of a necromancer. I told the group to call their mana when they need BiP. They were listening and i was doing my job. Eventually the tank went buck nuts on. If i remember he said "WTF Kaileena stop taking so much damage! What kind of Armor are you wearing!" I told him i was wearing max armor and a sup blood rune on my face tat.

It was quiet after that and all of a sudden the warrior died. It couldnt be avoided, he got hit by a huge spike and the monks couldnt heal em in time. For some reason he blamed ME.

Anger happened and the warrior /ragequit.

Oh well GG

I try not to whine, but I have to vent alittle. I hate people that:

Don't understand how a spike works, Monks can't always heal you in the blink of an eye. Especially when you haven't been taking any damage, or very little. Our attention is usually placed elsewhere.

Don't understand that Rebirth, which is a Monk rez staple, takes all of our energy. Therefore stop spamming that your dead, complaining, and whispering me.

Don't realize that "omg noob" isn't a comeback, or really an insult. I hate it when your answering someone's question and they just randomly through that out and ignore you. For example:

Him - Can you buy faction?
Me - No, you can't
Him - It says so in this quest, and it obviously can be bought
Me - No, no it can't, thats just there for dialogue
Him - Yes, it can be.
Me - Ok...if it can be care to show me any way to do so? Or perhaps an article or otherwise?
Him - Why should I?
Me - I dunno, i've got like 10k on me, if you can prove i'm wrong i'll give it to you as a good laugh
Him - OMFG STUPID NOOBLET, I HAVEZ 100k ON ME ZORZ!!!11shift+1
Me - Erm...ok? Whatever....

Just an example, lmao. Gotta love those randoms, and its even more funny in the instances that you actually prove them completely wrong. Or when they believe bs information, like that "special pets" can heal you, or that "healing a minion kills it 100x faster"

Granted, Vizunah can be a tough mission, and its not uncommon that a lot of healing is needed and that a lot of dying is going on. But maybe you should think about what those monks said, and consider whether your team played as well as they could have.

Firstly, for a mission like Vizunah where there the enemy is so numerous and damage is being dealt to everyone in your party, heal party is a very good skill to use. It is more effective to spam with heal party if you have the energy maintenance for it, than trying to heal 8 people individually.

Secondly, REBIRTH is what Monks (and everyone else) commonly use in a PVE situation. In those Vizunah rooms it may be a bit awkward to find a safe corner to carrry out the rebirth, but the idea with rebirth is to safely res the dead member away from where the enemy and fighting is. Don't knock rebirth. As monk I will take that first in PvE and I certainly would not waste two slots on a resurrection skill.

Third, don't knock smiting. A good smiting monk that also can heal can increase greatly your damage output, allowing enemy to be killed faster so that less total healing is needed.

If your monks remarked that they never had to do so much, with probably the same build, then maybe you and your party should rethink your playing strategies?

PS: I won't say these particular monks were the best in the world, my post is merely to point out your rather negative attitude to using rebirth and to monks that smite.

Free the Monks! Let them smite a little!

Well, I guess you'd have to have seen it. They were really bad. The ONLY used Heal Party, no other heals, as far as I could see, which isn't so good, if some people are spiked. And then they rezzed all the time, instead of healing the rest. With no healing following, so that I was standing in the middle of foes, with barly any health, and no skills to do something against it. I wouldn't have had a problem that they brought some smittes, but firstly, they didn't mention it first, and secondly, they didn't managed to keep us healed. We weren't a particullarly bad group, mostly staying together, so I don't think it was our fault. Besides, as they said they know the missions, they should have known that it's a tough one, and brought more heal. With one healingspell your no healer.

^
I know I sometimes pretend to be smiting if they're being assholes (call and spam bane signet or something) and when they get annoyed, proceed to bond them up and off we go

No offence dude but i get RLY anoyed off at people using rebirth in PvE. Apart from UW/Fow/Elite missions it is such a bollox rez skill. Monks who use rebirth in the MIDDLE of battle are the worst kind of monk (especially wen it is NOT the monks job to rez anyway).

but sometimes monks that decide to think outside the box about monk builds can end up doing more harm because they don't tell anyone else:

had a certain monk twice in a FoW party because i forgot her name the first time it happened, but i was the bonder and she was the 'healer' and from there on.. it was pretty difficult. her elite was mist form, she used ice spear as an attack, she had aegis, prot spirit, a res and the rest were heals i think. that's just too much, i think she had about 10 in prot, and about the same in heal, to me, spreading yourself out like that is just unproductive. it meant i had to go near the front line to help heal which tends to mess up the aggro =/

Hehe wow... Yea I hate people like...all those mentioned. Haha

Ressing in the middle of a battle is usually not a good thing to do. That is true. But you pretty much need to for the Vizunah mission. You have a lot of enemy, and new groups constantly joining the battle over a prolonged period of time. And you cannot just run away to regroup, because Togo and Mehnlo will stay, and when they die, mission is over. So someone has to res the fallen in the Vizunah mission. If no one else does it, then it has to be a monk, although it is indeed a bad idea for a monk to use time and energy to do this.

Using rebirth in PvE is the way to go. Rebirth IS the safest way to drag a dead ally out of the middle of a battle away from where the remaining enemy is taking a stand. It is best to use rebirth after retreating to a safe location and letting the enemy fall back a bit. It is not good to use rebirth in the middle of a battle.

We all have only 8 skills, and so it is not good for someone to take more than one res skill at a time. So if it has to be anything in PvE, then I will take rebirth instead of restore life or resurrect.

Put all that above together, and yes, it will be necessary for a monk to use rebirth in the middle of the Vizunah mission IF no one else in the party can or will do the ressing. It is definitely not a good idea, and other party members should use their res sigs or res spells before the monks do. But not doing anything means losing the mission for sure.

Rebirth is good. It's almost my only res in PvE : signet is the only decent res in the middle of a fight, and i won't carry it (not reusable, won't hog a second slot for it). I play PUGs (or henchies) : most of the times I have to res, the party's been wiped, with hostiles camping the bodies. Rebirth will nicely pull everyone to safety, casters first so they will regen while i wait for my energy to replenish (note : you lose whatever energy you have at spell completion -> focus switching is your friend).

That means that whenever I want to resurrect, it will be rebirth. You're annoyed a monk tries that during a fight ? It can make sense to res while engaged. I mean, you kind of need your nuker/protector/interrupter whatever. So, according to conditions, I might throw an Aegis, and try to res the guy myself. And during the long 6s cast time, I would wonder why none of my teammates is using his signet, or at least none cares to call it.

Now again, you say they were smiting too. Zealot's Fire + Rebirth = bad idea

Personally, I would not take you in my B/P group if that were the case. If you aren't willing to take one for the team, you aren't welcome in my group.

Quite true. BTW, pets are always in the front of the front lines. I've never played rangers (well, my monk has a ranger secondary with a pet named Iggy Pop , but I don't picture pets as tough as your run-of-the-mill warrior ; they tend to be a bit expensive energy-wise, just not for their owner ..

The best use for rebirth is a necro.

I was doing Waking Waters, we ended up with an all hench team for the luxon side. Yes we were dying, I was rebirthing, I'd use all my energy, but at 12 in soul, I couldn't use it up fast enough.

A necro with no energy is not a problem for long, a monk with no energy unless they also use sigs (which mine does) your in trouble